Q on 80% receivers...

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10-31-2015, 06:26 PM
RASelkirk

Q on 80% receivers...

Hi All,

There are a bunch of semi-machined rec'r kits out there. What is expected of someone who buys and completes one of these? Obviously they are not considered a "gun" when sold and there would be no serial number. Can a US citizen own a hand-built firearm without any gov't interference?

Thanks!

Russ
10-31-2015, 07:02 PM
WarPig1976

Simply, Yes.
10-31-2015, 11:54 PM
Vincent

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There are a bunch of semi-machined rec'r kits out there. What is expected of someone who buys and completes one of these?

You are expected to know and follow the laws that govern what you can build. In addition to the federal laws, some states have more restrictive laws.

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Can a US citizen own a hand-built firearm without any gov't interference?

Yes, that’s the attraction with 80% receivers, “no paper.”

In Texas you can even build your own flame thrower without any paperwork.
11-01-2015, 05:41 AM
browningautorifle

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Originally Posted by Vincent

build your own flame thrower

Now THAT has possibilities.
11-01-2015, 06:36 AM
WarPig1976

Probably good to add John Q Public can't legally build a machine gun in any state. Semi auto only.
11-01-2015, 08:08 AM
Aragorn243

You can build it and own it but transferring it becomes an issue.

I thought about it and just went the completed receiver route. If confiscation ever becomes an issue, mine will be transferred before it can take effect.
11-01-2015, 10:19 AM
Vincent

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

Now THAT has possibilities.

When there’s drought ranchers use them here to burn the thorns off cactus, so cattle can eat it.

I have the tanks, regulator and power washer wand. Just need finish a few gun projects first.
11-01-2015, 11:40 AM
shadycon

John Q Citizen can not own any 'UNREGISTER' machine gun. If he builds one it can not be registered.
11-01-2015, 01:41 PM
WarPig1976

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Originally Posted by shadycon

If he builds one it can not be registered.

And that would be ILLEGAL from sea to shining sea.
11-01-2015, 02:43 PM
Bill Hollinger

Any home built firearm HAS TO conform to ALL laws. So, you can not build any NFA type weapons. As long as it isn't NFA you can build and possess it. The only caveat to this is if you build an AR15 in California (or other restrictive state) the home build must comply with the laws of that state, ie. Bullet Button, 10 round maximum capacity, length requirements etc. Serial numbers, maker's name and caliber identifications are NOT required however they are recommended. Home builds can be sold. The wording is quite clear on this but less clear on the number of home build weapons that can be built and sold. Basically the wording states you can't do it for profit.
11-01-2015, 04:33 PM
Vincent

You can get approval to make some NFA weapons. A short barrel rifle, SBR, is a NFA weapon. You just go on the BATFE E Forms site, fill out a Form 1, upload your documents, and pay $200. It takes about thirty days to get approval. It comes in the form of a Tax Stamp, like the old British Crown Tax stamps back in the colonial days.

I just submitted one for a suppressor. They are also governed by the NFA.

Any Other Weapons, AOW’s also require a tax stamp. Things like a vertical forward grip on a pistol are AOW’s. The tax is only $5 for a vertical grip.
11-01-2015, 05:56 PM
RASelkirk

Thanks for the info on the recr's. I feel the average Texas gun owner could give a "rat's a$$" about what the feds want. Hopefully, TX will revert to being a nation before they decide confiscation will become an option...

Russ
11-01-2015, 11:16 PM
Bill Hollinger

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Originally Posted by Vincent

You can get approval to make some NFA weapons. A short barrel rifle, SBR, is a NFA weapon. You just go on the BATFE E Forms site, fill out a Form 1, upload your documents, and pay $200. It takes about thirty days to get approval. It comes in the form of a Tax Stamp, like the old British Crown Tax stamps back in the colonial days.

I just submitted one for a suppressor. They are also governed by the NFA.

Any Other Weapons, AOW’s also require a tax stamp. Things like a vertical forward grip on a pistol are AOW’s. The tax is only $5 for a vertical grip.

I should have been more clear ;) You have to apply for the stamp prior to building an NFA weapon. To make it qualify for registration it has to have a serial number. I must admit I was thinking more on the lines of select fire.

30 days? Wow! Just a couple of months ago the wait was four to six months by E-filing and as much as nine months by mail. The E-filing required a trust. Has that changed again?
11-06-2015, 10:42 AM
Vincent

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Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger

30 days? Wow! Just a couple of months ago the wait was four to six months by E-filing and as much as nine months by mail. The E-filing required a trust. Has that changed again?

Approval times are all over the place and often vary from state to state.

The last E-Form I did for an SBR took 30 days. Before that I did an E-Form 6 to import some C1 SMG parts from Canada and it took 18 days.

I had two paper Form 4’s approved this week. They took 35 days. I have others that have been pending for 5 months.

I really have no idea what drives approval times. Six or seven months doesn’t bother me. I look at the wait as just part of owning real machine guns, etc. When I lived in the UK, Germany and Spain I never dreamed of owning real machine guns. So having this freedom is something I appreciate. It comes with restrictions, but they are quite reasonable in my opinion.
11-10-2015, 03:50 PM
emmagee1917

Also , the tax to BUILD an AOW ( form 1 ) is $200 as it is for all other form 1s . A class 7 mfg can build it tax free and then the TRANSFER from him to you is $5 .