US Soldier providing overwatch for ground Troops in Afghan or Iraq. Nice Rifle. Looks to be Older than what was available during the 2 Wars on Terror. It has to be a M14 type of Rifle.
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US Soldier providing overwatch for ground Troops in Afghan or Iraq. Nice Rifle. Looks to be Older than what was available during the 2 Wars on Terror. It has to be a M14 type of Rifle.
M14s were broken out for this one Frank. The stock is one of the new types, many civvies have changed them over also. Very expensive stocks too. It still boils out to be an M14 though.
This soldier is the designated marksman for his squad and/or platoon. The rifle is an M14 in a Sage EBR chassis. One of the gun mags had an article on this on how the Rock Island Arsenal was working overtime getting these rifles ready
For deployment overseas because of the perceived need for extra long range in the mountains of Afghanistan.
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The Clinton Administration destroyed 750,000 of them. I believe the original cost per rifle was less than a hundred bucks? Can't buy a sage stock for ten times that.
Ed
Dumb, dumber, dumbest... the government paid something like $125 per rifle to destroy M1s versus selling them for $300 each. Huh?
Political agenda...nothing to do with reality.
I think that is a world wide thing BAR
One day I had a pretty full on discussion with a lady in a car park who saw the sticker I had on my car "Shooters aim to score" and proceeded to get the boots in on firearm owners and hunters of which I am both.
Well Nelly you picked on the wrong person as I informed her of her ignorance in tagging honest and lawful ownership is not an issue nor is killing game or vermin I said to her how would you like your eyes pecked out whilst alive by a crow whilst giving birth all because you had a breech birth and were to exhausted to protect your self. (I shot the ewe but the crow escaped)
Then still not finished with her I proceeded in by telling her that cars/rifles are inanimate objects and if you left both in this car park with the keys in the ignition and a loaded round in the chamber and no one touched them they would quietly rust away it is criminals who are the issue.
And as the Coup DE Gras I inquired did she eat meat "Affirmative" reply, so as a finisher I said, "Your probably the type who says to hunters, Why don't you get your meat from the supermarket where animals are not hurt!"
Sorry for the rant guys and moving the thread intent, I wish we had the 2nd amendment.
Bob ~ Poilitical reference edited
All righty then, good people. Having solved the mystery of the '90s era crusher, let's not get lost in politics because they are, after all, not allowed on the Milsurps forums. Carry on!
Bob
Having played with one of those stocks (installed on an M1A) the other day, it was only slightly better than an M3 SMG stock for solidity. (OK it's actually several orders of magnitude better than an M3, but the theme is correct, torsion, side to side & up and down slop).Quote:
Originally Posted by fboyj
A shooter would have to consistently preload the stock in some way to have any repeatable long range precision; To my way of thinking, not a situation which could be consistently reproduced in the field...
From a machine rest , I'm quite sure that the accuracy of the individual rifle is increased by shimming the gas system and consistent free floating / tensioning the barrel. The system falls down in the butt stock.
From my experience with those particular sets, I absolutely agree. I'd way rather have a solid stock. There were problems with things loosening up as the shooter went on.
Interesting take on the DMR position in that the Russians learned the same thing decades back that their assault rifle round didn't have the smoke that the old MN round had for longer range encounters. It pays to have a "big gun" in a squad to reach out.
You'd think, but I've found the Sage stock to do wonders for both theoretical and practical accuracy. There's several variants fielded, some being just old M14s installed into a stock, others being rather more specialized, including some with heavy match barrels. There is also a stock extension that utilizes M4 carbine stocks of whatever flavor the user desires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
Hunted with an M39 clone extensively last year from ground blinds, I could actually snooze whilst looking through the scope, so comfortable the system was.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...e2ab600a-1.jpg
Liked the stock so well that I ended up with two:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...0d312940-1.jpg
But it wasn't something I cared for at all at first. Had to shoot and carry one for a while for the "goodness" to register.
Nice collection!