This Type II band is on my 4.927 Inland. Could it be original? Who made it?
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This Type II band is on my 4.927 Inland. Could it be original? Who made it?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...Bandmark-1.jpg
While we're waiting for others to respond, I found these (2) older threads on bands with similar markings. - Bob
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....ighlight=slash
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....ighlight=slash
I posted that the double slash was used on late Inlands in that second thread in 2012. I'm not completely sure that I was right - now just trying to get more opinions. I remember something about it on the old Culver forum. Those were the days, eh?
From looking at CCNL 361, it's unknown who made the single, double and unmarked type two barrel bands. Of course that article is 5 years old now and new info may have came forward. From clicking on the above links, I think a reference is made to the same article.
In my Opinion It's Original just like it was in 2012 from looking at the thread Bob posted. I wonder if the maker of this Type 2 BB also made the Double Slanted Slash one along with the Single Slanted one and each one went to a different M1 Carbine Manufacturer. I've seen a couple of the Double Slanted one's on IBM's For Sale. But don't know if they were strickly for IBM .
Interesting!
Just Spit balling Here. I think this Type 2 BB Marking is miss stamped and should be more Slanted. I thought these were straight up and down, but War Baby, Harrison or Riesch doesn't list Inland using them nor does USCARBINECAL30M1.COM. IBM and RMC are shown using them. They show up in M1Family.com under Inland, but most or letter marking T2 BB's, but these could have looked straight and was put in the list. I just been going through websites everywhere to try to find out who made these Type 2 BB's. Who knows y'all have seen MANY more Than I have. I just been looking and searching the internet to see where it says Inland used these Straight or Slanted Double Line Marks. I don't have access to the Carbine Club Data and Information.
USCARBINECAL30M1.com
USCARBINECAL30M1.com
I can do some digging over the weekend, I have only seen the double slash marked T2 BB on IBM's so I just always seem to reference them as IBM. That doesn't mean they weren't used by Inland too.
Inland used at least five sources for their type two barrel bands, although I'd say it's a possibility that whoever made the single / type 2 band may have made the double // too.
I agree with you...I was looking to see if I can find it and perhaps find out who made them. This friend has one on his Carbine but it's definitely not as nice looking as the one pictured above and the marking is Slanted a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by carwashchris
I would not speculate on a manufacturer. From my small sample of original five million block Inlands, I have 5.2, three 5.3 and a 5.4 with the double slash. So off hand, I would say a double slash on a 4.9 seems early.
Any type 2 band on a early 4.92 seems a little early.
However, if I had a contract to make a new band type, and the prime contractor was screaming for them, After I made the first few hundred/thousand, I would send them to be sure there was not an unforeseen problem with them, before I made 50,000 or 100,000 of them. I would want to know early on.
I would check the barrel for the parkerizing trace of a type 2 band, wider than a type 1 band. If it is there, It is original.
And guys, I have seen three types of slash marks. There is the double slash, the single slash and the half slash. The half slash is common on IBM carbines and to many, an unknown variant. And some times the single slash can be rotated. Maybe not another variant but made on Mondays.
The marks are very slightly angled, not vertical, but just a couple of degrees. I'm sure it's not an unintentional mark and I've seen a few others over the years - always Type II. In fact I thought at one time maybe it was a literal 'II'. But I don't think so. It's a maker's mark like the 45 degree slash.
I saw this on the cmp auction { I really needed that stock } anyhow look at the band on this 5,3 Inland. The surface is much more grainy un-like the OP's which appears to be smooth, so I'm guessing different manufactures. :confused:
Civilian Marksmanship Program | Item 3136 M1 Carbine Inland 5398309
Yes, I like that one too! - also the buttplate. I wonder if the Type 2 band has left a mark, and how much that would hurt the value?Quote:
Originally Posted by carwashchris
Yes, it's a completely different manufacturer which has nothing to do with a double-slash band.
Here are the company's that made bands for Inland according to WWB1 Seymour Products Co , Seymour Smith & Sons, American Swiss Co , Union Hardware Co, The markings for these four is unknown. At least at the time it was written.
Union Hardware Co also made bands marked UI
Also found where IBM sent Inland 15K bands 1/44
Seymour Products Co also made bands for Rockola
Maybe this Co. made bands for both and TRIED to mark them differently and ship to the appropriate MFG. But things got mixed up.. My best guess. :D
Knape & Vogt, American Radiator & Standard Sanitation Corp, & Johnson Skate also made front bands for Inland.
'Also found where IBM sent Inland 15K bands 1/44'
That's very interesting because it's a 1-44 barrel.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...rrelmark-1.jpg
Does yours have that Triangle Marking on the other side like the one posted ?
That other one was not a double-slash band. The triangle mark is the maker's mark. These double-slash bands have only the double slash.
The triangle mark is for American Swiss and is usually very lightly struck.
War Baby III says to add the marking AI to "Front Band Assembly -New" in War Baby. I thought that meant to replace the "?" following American Swiss Co. with AI. I need some help on this one. :surrender: - Bob
There are AI type 2 bands in addition to the AS bands. The AS look like PI in a pendent.
I just notice this today when Dan blew up a few Pics for me on my NPM. On my '44 NPM I have a T2 BB that I thought was a little scratch until he sent me back these pictures. Then I read in WB 1 That IBM used them and a few other places and had sent 35,000 of them to NPM in 1-'44 to 2-'44. Hmmm, but no Makers Name. I always thought it was a little scratch or unmarked.
On page 1092 of WarBaby III, there's a picture of a T2 barrel band with a marking nearly identical to Inland 44's except it's completely horizontal rather than vertical. Don't know if that's unusual or not? - probably just another variation from one of the several known manufacturers of these bands. - Bob