Hunter safety trainer ejects Obama voter from course

from FreeRepublic.com.

I don't like what Wolf did; he set bad example, by doing just what Liberals do, letting emotion override good judgement and doing his duty. This thirteen-year old won't ever forget that.
Regards,
Louis of PA



Liberals told to leave
An instructor for a hunter safety course orders Obama voters to get out of his class.

By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published: 3/7/2009 2:23 AM
Last Modified: 3/7/2009 3:06 AM

Thirteen-year-old Lane Dunkley just wanted to go hunting with his grandfather.

What he got was a lecture on politics.

Dunkley and his father, Daniel Reddy, who live in Tulsa, went to Broken Arrow on Tuesday night for a hunter safety course normally required to get an Oklahoma hunting license.

The class was a reward of sorts. Dunkley, who wants to go hunting with his grandfather, was told he could take the class only if he brought up his grades.

So he did — to a B-plus average.

But when father and son arrived at the lesson, the volunteer instructor, Kell Wolf, asked if any of the students voted for President Barack Obama.

Reddy, a transplanted Californian — and former Marine — raised his hand.

According to Reddy and others in the room, Wolf called Obama "the next thing to the Antichrist" and ordered Reddy and Dunkley from the room. When Reddy refused, Wolf said he would not teach "liberals" and would cancel the course if Reddy didn't leave.

So Reddy and Dunkley left, as did a few others.

Lance Meek, hunter education coordinator for the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, said Wolf had been a volunteer instructor for "a long time, probably 15 years or more" and "from what we've heard and observed, had always done a great job. He worked with the kids really well."

But when Meek received a call Wednesday morning — from someone other than the Reddys — he said he had no choice.

"I got the call at 8:30, and by 9 o'clock (Wolf) was no longer a volunteer for us."

Contacted on Friday, Wolf had no comment on the matter. Meek said he talked briefly to Wolf on Wednesday, and that Wolf did not deny ordering Reddy from the class or offer an explanation.

Lane Dunkley said the situation made him angry.

"This was a big deal for me because my grandpa doesn't have a lot of time to hunt anymore," he said. "I rarely get to hang out with my grandfather.

"I thought I would never be able to get my license."

Stacy Reddy, Daniel Reddy's wife and Lane Dunkley's mother, said the family was surprised by how quickly the wildlife department acted.

"Lance Meek called and apologized up and down and wanted to know what they could do to make it right," she said.

"The only thing we really wanted was for my son to be able to take the hunter safety course, and there wasn't another one in the Tulsa area with an opening for the rest of 2009."

So Meek arranged for a private class

"They called and said they'd meet us any time, anywhere," said Daniel Reddy. "Their response has been exemplary. It has really restored my faith in government."

Meek and Stacy Reddy said it illustrates how difficult the ongoing changes in the federal government are for some Oklahomans.

"I realize a lot of people are unhappy right now," said Stacy Reddy, "but this was something my son worked his tail off to do."

Meek sounded grieved that a long-time volunteer with a spotless record seemed to have veered so suddenly off the tracks.


"It's a shame. What he did is definitely not all right with us," Meek said, "but his heart has been in the right place for a long, long time."

Responses:

To: amigatec
I like it. Let’s see how the lefties like being scorned in public. This is a tactic they have used in schools and universities on our kids.

To: amigatec
As a firearms safety instructor and hunter, I’m not happy with what this guy did. He threw away a golden opportunity to teach and show the liberals the error of their ways with respect to hunting and gun ownership, and failed miserably.

To: beebuster2000
The instructor passed up a chance to convert some liberals;the instructor may be a former Marine but he isn't very smart.


All the instructor did is give conservatives another black eye by reinforcing liberal pundit stereotypes of conservatives. Fire him.

As a HE guy, I would have kept them in the class in order to "re-educate" them in the error of their ways.

OFC

I agree. Unless the people acted inappropriately (disrupted the class with their own political rants or acted in an unsafe manner), they should have been welcomed. We are trying to reach that kind of people and show them that the Obamaniacs' picture of gun owners as right-wing kooks and nutcases is wrong. Instead, the instructor demonstrated the opposite. Not good at all.

Jim

They guy should not have raised his hand when the instructor asked who voted for Obama. Raising his hand just gave the instructor the opportunity for a political rant and to ridicule someone. Last time I checked, we still have a secret ballot in this country, and you are not obligated to tell anyone how you voted. It's none of their flippin' business!

Greg, I would agree under normal ciricumstances but since he was with his son who probably had an idea for whom he voted, it was probably something he felt he had to do. The blame lies squarely with the instructor. As others have already stated, he lost a great opportunity to "re-educate" a liberal (or at least someone who was liberal leaning) and instead he now will not have that chance again. It's really a sad story for everyone involved. Rick

I'm a hunter safety instructor. I volunteer my time to further hunting sports, not political ideology. Was he gonna convince some 11 year old kid who can't vote?

Guy reminds me of K. Oberman's "Worst Person of the Day' on 10-31-08. She refused Halloween candy to 4 year old neighbors whose parents supported Obama. Making those little kids cry made a political statement she was proud of.

Jackasses like this imperil the 2A.

"religious nut job"

funny, I didn't see any indication of religion in the original post. How did you determine this fellow's religious affiliation and/or obsession? And, I completely fail to see how this fellow imperiled the 2A any more than folks who voted for hopeandchange and Kompany. What he did was inappropriate, but none of us are perfect and we (men) often tend to overreact, wouldn't you say???

Well, I say more power to the instructor, he was within his rights, his opinion counts too.

I wish I could say that I would have done the same thing but I don't have the gonads he does. I would have just figured a few of these guys had voted for obamma and gone on with it, and wondered who it was.

As for him being fired, hey he put in his time and should be thanked. He is smart enough to figure out that those few obamma voters will eventually turn this country into ........ mess.

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Originally Posted by Greg H. in Virginia

They guy should not have raised his hand when the instructor asked who voted for Obama. Raising his hand just gave the instructor the opportunity for a political rant and to ridicule someone. Last time I checked, we still have a secret ballot in this country, and you are not obligated to tell anyone how you voted. It's none of their flippin' business!

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. The instructor was out of place by asking. If, hypothetically, I happened to be in a room full of liberals taking a class on community service leadership and the instructor was to ask who voted for that b**ch Sara Palin, I'd certainly be raising my hand. Yes, we still have secret ballot, but no American should have to be ashamed of where they stand.

As much as I disagree with Obama, my hats off to the father of this boy who, from his point of view, went into the lion's den and when confronted, would not lower his head. :clap:

. . . makes me reasonably assume he is a religious nut job. Who else concerns themselves with fear of an 'antichrist' in a hunter safety class?

And, before you ask, I went to church today, just like every Sunday.

Reactionary? Appears someone is hung up in using the word that leftists use to describe those who oppose them. Certainly it is a favourite communist buzz word.
As for the instructor certainly he was wrong to bring politics into a hunter safety course.
What would you want done with him 2571? Send him to a "re-education camp" so he will have the proper attitude to the messiah? I believe there are certain governments around who would do just that. Perhaps a Russian Gulag?

The instructor was wrong to ask that question. I cringe when I hear of incidents like that. Carl

"And, before you ask, I went to church today, just like every Sunday."

Personally, I wouldn't dream of asking, I fully support the 1st amendment too. I was just curious. People who claim the second amendment but vote for those who vehemently oppose it just make me curious.

That said, I'm glad you were in church today. May the Lord bless and keep you.

Steve

That was Not the way to handle a class, the classes are Not the place for political talk, but you can educate people on the issues.
There are ways to discuss the issue, like telling people what the administration wants to do with the 2nd Amendment and how that would put an end to our way of life.
There are ways to make people understand what's at stake these days and how to insure our rights are protected.

There is never any excuse for humiliating a child.

Asking someone's political opinion and then putting them down is something that the left does too often.

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How does Aaron produce those violin & steelguitar sounds on his flat top box out there on his porch?

I'm a fire service instructor and unless the subject being taught is politics (and it never is), I wouldn't ever bring the subject up. I may not like who you voted for, but who you voted for is none of my business. I can't for a moment understand what this guy was thinking.

Sorry, I have to disagree.

The instructor was NOT within his "rights". And of course his opinion counts, but this was a hunter safety class, not a political debate!

Since when do we champion excluding someone from a legitimate activity based solely on their political views?

Now if he had come in wearing an Obama T-shirt & had proceeded to disrupt the class you could toss him out on the grounds of disrupting the class. Heck, if he came in wearing a Sarah Palin T-shirt & proceeded to disrupt the class, toss him out. But on the grounds of disrupting the class, not which T-shirt he's wearing or who he voted for.

And certainly not because he responded to a question which, on the face of it, should have never been asked in the 1st place.

I thought we've fought wars & people have died to defend the freedom to have our own opinions & vote for the candidate of our choice . . . . .

What the hell does how you vote do with the right to go hunting?

I am very fussy on who I hunt with and I might not go hunting with a Liberal if he couldn't keep his mouth shut, but then again the same applies to right wing nut jobs.

A bully is a bully no matter what side of the fence they are on and I have no use for any of them.

KTK

What the hell difference does it make WHO the kids grandparents/parents voted for?

This was a hunter safety class period, Mr. Smartmouth instructor was there to teach hunter safety and that's ALL!
If I knew of ANY type of instructor pulling that snot on young kids he'd have his butt in a sling fast.

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Originally Posted by Faulkner

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The instructor was out of place by asking. If, hypothetically, I happened to be in a room full of liberals taking a class on community service leadership and the instructor was to ask who voted for that b**ch Sara Palin, I'd certainly be raising my hand. Yes, we still have secret ballot, but no American should have to be ashamed of where they stand.

As much as I disagree with Obama, my hats off to the father of this boy who, from his point of view, went into the lion's den and when confronted, would not lower his head. :clap:

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Originally Posted by 0311Shooter

Well, I say more power to the instructor, he was within his rights, his opinion counts too.

I wish I could say that I would have done the same thing but I don't have the gonads he does. I would have just figured a few of these guys had voted for obamma and gone on with it, and wondered who it was.

As for him being fired, hey he put in his time and should be thanked. He is smart enough to figure out that those few obamma voters will eventually turn this country into ........ mess.

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Not within his rights. Even though he was a volunteer, he was a representive of a non-political organiztion, and was there to teach hunter safety only.

I say" good for the instructor". I wish more pro-gun people in this country had the guts to speak out.The grandfather should know that elections have consequences.He voted for a man that wants to ban guns and hunting and then expects someone ,who volunteers his time,to instruct him and his family.Typical liberal thinking.

As loath as I am to agree with anything written by "2571", this was absolutely NOTHING more or less than an alleged adult bullying a child!

I don't care WHAT your thoughts or agenda are.....this was nothing but WRONG! Frankly, if there had been any other actual men in the room, the "Instructor" would be wondering why he ever took the luxury of being able to eat solid food for granted! The only thing that really bothers me....is that there are actually people here on CSP that agree with his boorish behavior! I thought better of us!

John K call this behavior boorish, and that's way politer than I would call it.

This reeks of indoctrination to the hitler youth (UNT who did your people vote for?) Unfair,stupid,and maybe even illegal to do this to a group of kids who are already under enough pressures. They don't need more, they'll get their share soon enough.

Where does the line get drawn once the above questioning starts? What's next, asking who was jewish and who wasn't?

That goes beyond the "socialism" word that gets used lately around here.
Only thing about this that bothers me worse is some of you think it's acceptable behavior.

My son went to a shooters education class 3 times. Back then it was sponsored by the Jaccees. He won the district air rifle championship the first year, the regional championship on the third try, and had the trophies to prove it. When he graduated from high school he immediately volunteered for the U.S. Army. He was on active duty for 2.5 years and spent time in Honduras (this was when Reagan was president) guarding a fuel depot with a locked and loaded M-16.

When he was discharged he got back home just in time for deer season. He went down and tried to buy a deer tag. No way! Seems that while he was in the Army the law changed and if he wanted to hunt, then by gawd he would have to go to the required Hunter Safety School run then by the DNR. And, no there were no classes scheduled until after deer season. He did go to the first available one the next January but was so frustrated that he has yet to this day buy another hunting or fishing license.

The reason for so much frustration on his part? At the January class, one of the DNR instructors recognized him... seems he was part of the Jaycees air rifle program when Jr. won. Anyway, that a hole had the nerve to tell us: "Hey, you should have just called me. I would have 'taken care of you' with no problem." Translation; It's who you know that counts.

It seems it had nothing to do with safety. It was all about macho DNR guys taking over. They are the most corrupt, obnoxious, jerks that walk the earth. The very next spring the same s'bag was sitting in a Denny's having coffee when he overheard a guy talking about his wife bottle feeding a fawn whose mother had been killed by a car. He follows the guy back to his farm where he takes his .357 revolver and blows out the fawn's brains... right in front of the man's wife and 11 year old daughter. "You should have known feeding that deer was illegal" he says as he drives off. The DNR officer was never punished and was still on the job the last time I checked.

In this case, was the guy wrong about kicking grandpa and the kid out of the course? You dang right he was, but on the other hand he is just a typical example of these guys.

Go ahead and hammer.
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Well.....I guess I'm one of your "Bad Guys"! I'm an Ohio DNR Hunters Safety Instructor (as well as an NRA Certified Marksmanship Instructor, Firearms Safety Instructor....plus one or two others). I don't work for the DNR, I just passed their Instructor course and teach the kids at our club and at the local high school.

Not sure WHY you've got your boxers in such a bunch, other than you obviously have problems with "authority"! FWIW, if I were the Instructor....your kid would have done the entire 12 hours course REGARDLESS of his military experience, or he'd never get a hunting license! My kids did it and they could have, quite literally, taught the class! There's no such thing as "too much safety training"!

He went through the class THREE times, with some of the same instructors. I guess that you may well be one of those aholes that don't give a rats arse about simple common sense. Some inner city 14 year old kid who has never fired a single round can go out in the woods and hunt because he went to some 12 hour course YOU taught. BUT a 22 year old military veteran can't go hunting because he was out of the country serving his nation and wasn't there to kiss your butt at the particular class you teach. You are not interested in safety, all you want is to be Mr. Macho and show the world how powerful you are.
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My gawd man, all you want is for the world to stick their nose up your butt but I'm the one with by boxers in a wad. :surrender::surrender::surrender::surrender:

with their vote on denying the Feds the right to take our guns,,
POLSKA ,0311,,I'm with you !!! this B/S here is typical sheeple trying to be POLITICAL CORRECT !!!:thdown:

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He went through the class THREE times, with some of the same instructors.

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He went through an indoor air-rifle course.....I teach those too.....not the same thing as a hunter's safety course! It takes care of some of it, but not all.

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I guess that you may well be one of those aholes that don't give a rats arse about simple common sense.

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Then there's that pesky little "compliance with state law" issue...but then we've already established your problems with things like laws and authority

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Some inner city 14 year old kid who has never fired a single round can go out in the woods and hunt because he went to some 12 hour course YOU taught. BUT a 22 year old military veteran can't go hunting because he was out of the country serving his nation and wasn't there to kiss your butt at the particular class you teach. You are not interested in safety, all you want is to be Mr. Macho and show the world how powerful you are.

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I didn't write the law, I'm just trying to provide a resource to permit kids that ARE willing to obey the law...do so! If you've got a problem with the law.....write your elected state officials, don't b!tch to the instructors! Oh.....in Ohio, your son would have gotten his license simply by presenting his DD-214!

well - most all of its been said , one way or the other , but its my oppinion the instructor volunteered to 'teach' a hunter safety coarse , thats what he should have done ,

if it had been also billed as a political ralley i might feel diferantly , but im fixateing on the 'requirement' aspect of the class to be able to hunt , and , the fact he 'volunteered' to enable the attendees to fullfill that requirement , he failed to perform