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Does anyone have some good pictures of the Indian SAF Carbine 2A1 they could post here or email to me? I have only been able to find a couple of fuzzy images so far.
Thanks
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Not quite relevant to the Q Vince but photos of these are quite hard to source. My friend from darkest Devon went to |India and asked a railway guard if he could photograph his Sterling but he declined and slung it behind his back. At the next opportunity he tried the same ploy by asking NOT about the Sterling, but could his wife stand next to him for a photo. No problem....., but the gun went behind!
These guns have featured in an Indian Army training film (on You Tube) and recent programmes about the (pretty archaic) Indian Railways. I'm bound to ask whether anyone has such a beast. I have never heard of anyone owning one, even a dewat and when I was researching the subject a LARGE quantity dealer who had good contacts with Indian MoD disposals told me that he'd never encountered one for disposal either. That would appear to back up to the letter and honour the licensing agreement with Sterling that outside sales were not permitted but should be referred back to Sterling.
I seem to recall that the royalties free contract was for an initial 60,000 plus a further 15,000 a few years later
There is a youtube video where a soldier opens and closes the butt stock and also pulls the bolt IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
The title is:
SILENCER-STERLING CARBINE 9mm - YouTube
For whatever reason I cannot get youtube to load for me today.
The gun shown in the video and that shown by Vince is clearly the Indian interpretation of the silenced gun. The forward casing seems to be the standard casing diameter extended.
Is it this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gChAIRCUo-4
The video is a lot of help. Thank you.
It looks like they use a full length thermal sleeve. There’s a band over it for the buttstock to lock into when it’s closed. Any ideal what the feature on the side of the band for?
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Sling loop?
It's hard to say, the rear sight is certainly longer to cater for the repositioned front sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
and they are clearly are using a single recoil spring.
Must be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I watched the video again, I wonder if the external loop has been switched from the left side to the right side by re installing it reversed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Yes, the stock locks into the square hole on the bottom of the band.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
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The sling loop is on the right side of the band.
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Seems like a strange place to put it :confused: Or maybe someone just put it the band on wrong?
Ah! That explains what’s going on here. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
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That's all we used...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
I was wondering the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
It looks like the front of the suppressor is welded on to the tube. So the barrel and the baffels must come out the other end.
I guess the high sights are needed to see over the ring in front of the magazine housing.
The higher backsight is because the sight on the silenced gun is calibrated for 25 and 50 yards instead of 100 and 200 as per the norm.
According to the Sterling Mark 5 user manual, the rear sight on the Mk5 has both positions calibrated for 100 yards(or meters). One for daylight, and the other aperture for "low light" conditions such as dusk and dawn...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
On the previous page it does say something about the typical range for use as being 25 to 50 yards as I recall, though a "skilled user" should be "easily" able to take shots out to 200 yards...
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Why would they have deleted the 200 yard sight if that were the case?
My very limited experience with the Mk5 makes me think it’s has an effective tactical distance of around 50 yards. So much gas is vented off through the barrel ports to keep the bullet subsonic. That robs a lot of energy.
There’s also the front sight, it’s much too coarse for long distances. You also have to deal with a considerable heat mirage when the suppressor gets hot. That’s probably one reason for the full length thermal sleeve on the Indian gun. The high gloss paint has me baffled. Any ideas?
L-E is right, the sight is a short range sight. It is the reduced m/v that makes it higher. The 'secondary' low light aperture is the 'button hole' thinggy.
I think the gloss paint answer is the same as the glossy No1 and 4 rifles. They bought a zillion gallons back in 19-whenever and have been using it lavishly, smothering everything in it ever since!
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Saw someone needed some pics of 2A1 ..
Thank you, do you have any other photos?Quote:
Originally Posted by KUNAL BISWAS