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Sadly that is exactly what we do not need as dedicated shooters is guys like the one at 11 seconds too p*ssed to even tell the difference between a knife and a shotgun shell and of course all the others just beggar description with no formal training with weapons way to powerful for their demeanor.
I just shake my head really as shooting is not only a pleasurable pastime and sport but a test of ones mental patience to keep everything under control as you release the shot even with ants biting you or a fly crawling up your nose, we often have on range days in summer stinging sweat as you shoot in 42 degrees Celsius just par for the course.
There is nothing better than to chew the fat will fellow shooters or after a hunt reminiscing on things or on military shoots looking at the various Lee's or K-98 or K-31 often there is some thing going on with the old girls I always take a heap of spares to shoots to help people if they have a minor mishap with their weapon like a missing screw, front sight blades etc its what we do for each other that really counts.
After this video Eugene was in fact grounded by his mother for a whole day!!! The good news, Eugene finally found out who his father is. He gave up his wannabe gangster ways and took speech lessons so that others wouldn't mistake him as mentally handicapped. Today, he has a successful career working at Wallymart as a greeter and hasn't missed a day of work in three weeks. When asked by the local paper how he has managed to keep such good attendance? His reply was "I'm gonna get locked up if I miss one more child support payment" Way to go Eugene.....
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I don't understand the people getting knocked over by the recoil. I get the scope in the eye or forehead because I've seen it happen and it's mostly just not having it tight on the shoulder but getting knocked over? Just don't get it. I have daughters and my youngest has been using a 356 Winchester since she was 16 with no difficulties at all which coincidentally is the same rifle I saw the scope to the forehead with when her brother in law shot it before she did. He'll never shoot it again. Of all the rifles I own, this one has the worst recoil, little 94 Winchester action. It was given to her as a gift, she was told she could sell it and get something else. I had one for years and knew what they were like so I had serious doubts. Four shots sighting it in an my shoulder was starting to ache. My son in law wanted to try it so I gave him the standard warnings and bang, scope to the forehead. Had serious doubt by this time but she insisted. Shot it half a dozen times, much more accurate than the 243 rossi single shot she had been using and she's carried it ever since.
They aren't bracing for the recoil. If the first gun you were given to shoot was 12guage slugs (some @*&^s like to do that to people, all it does it turn them off shooting) you would barely understand how to hold it, and aren't expecting what the recoil is. Its like if you were boxing or something of that nature, if you aren't braced for it, its going to hurt, and might end with you on the ground.
The one has a very close foot stance, combined with leaning away from the firearm, not a very stable position to being with. If someone gave them a light push, they would fall, in this case the light push was a firearm.
Training training and coaching with good instruction not setting people up to be hurt or frightened give them a .22 100+ rounds in different shooting positions and then progress, people who set others up to get their kicks by watching some one get hurt or frightened by heavy recoil are just effing w*nkers.
Aragorn the term we use for the scope kiss is either the Weatherby eye or brow, I had a 444 Marlin 336 microgroove with a Redfield wide view on it just a plain nasty kicking rig after about 6-7 shots you just want to put it away. I was driving the 240gn HP Hornady's at 2400fps for a 3070 Ft/Lb at the muzzle anyway we were playing with it cutting 12" saplings down on a mates farm and general target practice with other weapons.
This chap had seen me shooting my 444 and decided to badger me for a shot he was very proud of his shooting abilities as he told me so, yada yada I did this I've shot that bla bla bla give us a go will ya! Ok have a go but keep your eye relief back from the scope it has lively recoil, Yeah yeah I know how to shoot! seriously bloke your holding your eye too close, I know................ I stood back to watch a performance and was not disappointed with the outcome he ended up with 4 stitches above his Rt eye ho hum he will carry that reminder forever, at least no blood got on the rifles bluing....
Probably say he got it trying to shoot drop bears out of the Jarrah trees way outback......!
I once fell victim of my own stubbornness shooting trap with my 12 gauge SKB semi auto as a young adult of about 17 y/a, was a long 2 day shoot I was doing ok but about the mid way point on the last day my Rt shoulder started to get really sore I said do not be friggin' weak push through it, 6 birds into the 2nd string a blood vessel burst in my shoulder it egged out big time and it sure was murder calling pull and knowing what was about to happen. By bird 14 I was holding the shotgun off my shoulder, by bird 16 I retired and went to hospital to have my shoulder seen to.
Mum was watching me and thought my shooting was very bad on the last 2 birds.......really mum she saw my shoulder and went a bit pale? So thats how I know recoil can hurt in ways not obvious to bystanders.........
My dad was into duck hunting for a while and came up with the bright idea of getting a 10 gauge. He found a nice single shot with the longest barrel I've ever seen on a shotgun. Fired it three times in a field out back to test fire it and that was it. On the selling block. He took his shirt off and had a black and blue mark that was about 12 inches long and 8 inches wide that involved his arm shoulder and chest.
I've fired a lot of military rifles and never had issue with any of them. The 356 does pack a wallop though. A few shots is fine but the half dozen mark is about my limit at any one sitting.
I had to laugh at your 10 gauge story. They certainly are stout.
I truly learned to shoot on a Mosin Nagant M91/30. I had shot before that point, but only with lighter recoiling firearms where it didn't matter where you held them. For the first couple shoots with the Mosin, my shoulder would have a big ugly purple bruise on it (I am tall and skinny, at that point I was about 160lbs at 6'2"). After that point, I had learned how to properly hold a rifle, and haven't had a issue since. Now I speed shoot full power rifle rounds (often surprising many people at the range as I tend to shoot faster than them with there small caliber semi-automatic rifles), and the only thing that ends up hurt is my wallet.Quote:
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Well I am somewhat guilty of this, but not to a new shooter of course, this one was earned.Quote:
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While spending a day at a civilian range with a couple other soldiers I worked with, I decided to have a bit of fun.
With our group of 3, we had one fellow who was and still is, quite obnoxious, always with the oneupmanship and really playing at being a super-soldier. Generally overplaying the tough guy act.
Over the weeks before, two of us purchased a couple of cheap knockaround Mossberg Maverick 88 shotguns and were generally having a good time smashing clays or doing pseudo-combat shotgun drills for cheap.
Maverick 88:
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Well this fellow had to do one better, that day he shows up with a brand new, Mossberg 500 "Breacher" model, that was in every way better than our junky Mavericks according to him. Some may know that as far as core design and function go, a Maverick and a 500 are nearly the same. But his, looked the combat shotgun part, with a useless standoff door breaching muzzle brake, and a plastic M4 carbine adjustable pistol grip stock.
Mossberg 500 Breacher
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I looked it over, seemed all well and good until I shouldered it, the presentation angle of the stock didn't allow you to sight behind the action or bead.
That was silly.
And firing it!
Well that flimsy plastic carbine stock did nothing to tame recoil, the recoil pad was absent, and even with our light 2 3/4" clay loads, the edge bit deep into the collarbone and shoulder. But according to him, and the $500 price tag that was the best gun on the field.
So I set out a small game, one at a time, each guy would start with 5 shells in the gun and dump them at a single Figure 11 as fast as he could. I took the other guy aside and let him know of the true angle of my little game, Mr.500 was going to learn about shotgun stocks today.
I went first, and my friend second, with Mr.500 doing the timing, each of us rapidly banging off shell after shell as fast as it would run.
I used Mr.500's timing duties to do him a favor and load this 500 Breacher for him, first in last out, a 3" magnum lead slug, a 3" #4 steel, and 3 light clay loads.
When it was Mr.500's turn to go I passed him his 500 with the action open, and told him all you have to do is run the pump closed and shoot, but you'll never beat our times.
Not to be outdone he leaned in and gave it his all, bang-bang-bang-BAM-BOOM! The steel shot clearly caught him off balance and the slug nearly staggered him.
We all had a good laugh, and later that day he developed a CAR-15 buttplate sized bruise in the shoulder.
Never did manage to shut him up though.
Perfect example of people who in the running for the "Darwin Award"
You just can't fix stupid!