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Hi,
I am considering whether to make an offer on this carbine.
They guy wants $1,200 for it.
It is a Standard Products with a Marlin Barrel.
I am really looking for a shooter but since it has the flip site that would be a bonus.
Any thoughts on value would be appreciated.
These are the best pics I can get from the guy.
Also, can anyone give me a ballpark idea of what shooters run?
Here are a few more photos.
I'm not an expert on these by any means so I'm just passing on what I've seen recently. At the York Gun Show last weekend, I saw several carbines for sale in the $900 range which would be in the shooter, not really collectible category. One sold for that at an auction locally this morning. I expect you could find them at a private sale for a bit less than that. Price always depends on what you want, what you are willing to pay and condition. Looks like some pitting on the trigger guard.
I wonder what's been done to the rear sight, if anything, in the sides to get it looking that clean on the sides. I do think it's real, but it just looks odd. It's also pushed all of the way left, but I can see the index marks, so that's the factory setting I am pretty sure. Most everything I see looks good. 1200 would be about and possibly a bit of a good deal if the pictures aren't lying. BTW, shooters are now in the neighborhood of 750 to 800 depending on who makes the carbine. However, you can find them for a bit less if you know where to look.
deldriver should I request better photos of the rear site?
If so, what am I looking for?
Looks good to me. If I were in the market I would buy that carbine.
No, I am feel good about what I am seeing. If I had 1200 bucks lying around, I would probably grab that SP up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anton67
I'd raise the caution flag on that rear sight -- never seen one pushed all the way to the left. It could be that no one has shot the gun for 50 years and the sight just got banged. Or it could be something serious, like a bent barrel. Can someone run a bore sight down the barrel to check it out? Or shoot it to see why there is so much adjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by deldriver
Buy it. now, The rear sight is original and in it's original position. I would think you could double your money.
I noted in my first post that the sight was in the far left position, but you can clearly see the factory index marks in the OP's pictures. I have seen more than a few carbines with original flips that are pushed all of the way left, but with index marks indicating it was that way from the factory. I know what I'd pay for it if I wanted it.
Anton, if you buy, let us know the bolt, slide and receiver numbers. We can get a good idea if the thing could have left SP in that configuration.
Deldriver is on the money on this one. If it was placed on Gunbroker and an anxious person just got a substantial payout through JG Wentworth and had no idea of the real value of money nor Carbines, this one might go to $1500 area. If it had a high wood stock it would bring more.
I'm with BUBBA on that one. Looks original to me. And those are not index marks beside the rear sight. They are original type 1 stake marks to hold the sight in position after it was set at the factory. At $1200, I would buy it without hesitation, but if you think you can get it a little cheaper, try for it. But don't pass on that price if the owner doesn't want to go lower.
Correct. They didn't use index marks on the sight bridge. The adjustable sight has them in the sight base. The carbine looks refinished to me and the Ordnance mark on the stock looks like it was done last week. I would advise maximum caution.
Jim, I have used as well as other way more advanced collectors than me the term index marks to describe the line like marks used on flips sights. Stake marks (divot style marks) are generally associated with the later adjustable rear sights, although I have seen stake marked flips that were divot marked at each corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimb16
The early sights usually had the chisel-type staking marks (like l). No indexing marks were put on the receiver by the manufacturers, and I did not see any in your pictures. The round punch staking 'craters' were done for the adjustable sights because they had semi-circular indents on the sight base to receive the peened metal from the receiver. The adjustable sight had an indexing mark on the sight base, not the receiver.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...Rrsight1-1.jpg
Listen, I have seen both chisel and index marks used interchangeably repeatably in regard to flip sights by more than people than just me. I think we are splitting hairs of how the word index is being used and nothing else. There are several words in this field that can have ambiguous meanings.
I don't understand the US market.
I also have a Standard Products .30M1, No. 2,200,xxx.
It has won the 50-meter BDMP championship in Hessen twice.
It cost one-third of the price quoted above.
OK, collector prices for supposedly perfect specimens may be extraordinary.
But for a shooter, in the country that manufactured millions of them?:confused:
I really don't understand the US market.
The US market is getting controlled by "GREED"!