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Estate find Vintage Ammunition - PIC HEAVY
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Some really interesting / oddball stuff there; well spotted, that man!!
Is that a "different" 10rd charger for the T-48 in pix 19 and 20? Looks like an all-steel, "high cap" version of the 6rd cardboard and tin Schmidt-Rubin charger.
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Originally Posted by
Bruce_in_Oz
Some really interesting / oddball stuff there; well spotted, that man!!
Is that a "different" 10rd charger for the T-48 in pix 19 and 20? Looks like an all-steel, "high cap" version of the 6rd cardboard and tin Schmidt-Rubin charger.
Im not sure, to be honest. Hoping the community can shed some light.
What caliber ammo is that, and for what rifle? I have 20-ish rounds in good shape.
None of the rifles included in the sale seem to take this clip (Mannlicher 1888, Steyr M95, Spanish La Coruna 8mm).
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https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...35edntud-1.jpg
SFM is a French headstamp: (Société Francaise Munitions).
Possibly 11x59R Gras.
That ammo with the strange charger clip: Frankford Arsenal / 1955 / NATO standardization "cross in circle" mark. Early 7.62 x 51 NATO ammo; the 10-round charger is new to me. Not the "horseshoe" charger I associate with the trials T-44 or T-48.
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Perplexing you guys makes me excited :)
Lemme take a closer look and see if I find any markings on it.
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Can't find any markings on the clip, but here are some other angles, in case it helps with identification.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...rhwol1gg-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...x1vgmemw-1.jpg
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More interesting ammunition:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...lh1d5bbv-1.jpg
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What are these little bullets with the "pin" sticking out of the brass?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...epdfrdkq-1.jpg
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A real mix there; from quite literally trash to a few gems. The best items you have there are the 12mm French Pistol, commercial Smith's paper cartridges (too bad they're not old originals!), the odd Nato stripper clip, and the KTW boxes.
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dttuner
What are these little bullets with the "pin" sticking out of the brass?
Those are quite literally pinfire cartridges, mostly a European market item, around the same time as rimfire popularity in the USA, they were a transitional ignition system before center fire was developed and became the accepted ignition technology.
Under that (Firing) pin there is a primer mounted inside the casing. An external hammer would strike the pin downwards into the cartridge and set off the primer, igniting the powder as you would normally expect.
There are a large variety of pinfire revolvers that were produced, as well a number of pin fire shotguns, I have never seen a pinfire rifle but I am sure they must exist.
All of the pinfire revolvers I have handled were made in Belgium, nice pistols, but the unique cartridge makes them almost impossible to fire. Production of pinfire rounds from memory should be somewhere around 1850-1890 or so. Google would probably tell you more than I know.
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Very nice find. I love the variety
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Eaglelord17
Very nice find. I love the variety
Thanks! Any input, or help identifying this stuff would be much appreciated.
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1 is 6.5x50sr Japanese, and 6.5x52 Carcano, Norma still makes both.
4 is 7.35x51 Carcano
7 is 7.63 Mauser, also known as 7.63x25. It is meant for the C96 Broomhandle primarily
8 is 7.62 Nagant, used in the 1895 Nagant Revolver
9 is 8mm Steyr used in the M1907 Austrian Hungarian pistol
Photos 1,2 and 3 of the last group look like 7.92x57 also known as 8mm Mauser.
Photos 9 and 10 of the last group are 8x56r (3rd and 4th last from the bottom).
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Picture #10 is a box for 7.65 French Long. #14 is a picture of three rounds of the same cartridge. The KTW rounds are banned from being sold by Federal Law under the old Cop Killer bullets law as they are a form of AP for use in a pistol. Teflon coated with a inner penetrator and they do penetrate.
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Bruce McAskill
Picture #10 is a box for 7.65 French Long. #14 is a picture of three rounds of the same cartridge. The KTW rounds are banned from being sold by Federal Law under the old Cop Killer bullets law as they are a form of AP for use in a pistol. Teflon coated with a inner penetrator and they do penetrate.
They are only forbidden by dealers to import, manufacture, or sell, not individual citizens/collectors.
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From what I've read, a few states still have laws forbidding them. But mostly if used in a crime, etc.
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Bruce McAskill
The KTW rounds are banned from being sold by Federal Law under the old Cop Killer bullets law as they are a form of AP for use in a pistol. Teflon coated with a inner penetrator and they do penetrate.
I just read the wiki for a quick primer of knowledge on these rounds, and remember the term from movies, when I was younger, perhaps one of the Lethal Weapon series?
As a weapons and firearm knowledgeable adult I know that applying teflon alone does not an AP round make. The teflon ban is a typical misunderstanding of firearms technology, to penetrate anything, including armour, one only needs to rely on physics, typically a small, dense projectile, with a lot of velocity is the direction to go. For example, with the LAV III, 25 X 137mm Bushmaster Cannon, our Sabot rounds (APDS-T) are a 25mm diameter discarding sabot with a tungsten dart, which is about the same diameter as a common pencil, that is what is fired to deal with Light Armored Vehicles.
I understand the concern with preserving the lives of police and similar services but to attribute the danger to the stuff that plumbers use to seal pipe joints, or flying pans use to keep eggs from sticking is borderline hilarious.
The KTW rounds are a neat find, all this time I thought the "cop killer" termed ammunition was a creation of movie fantasy.
Learn something new every day!
