Suffolk police seize arsenal of almost 500 guns and 200k rounds of ammunition | Daily Mail Online
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I'm not too sure that anyone would be foolish enough to even admit that they'd breathed the same air......... Hell hath no fury like a woman spermed
As I already pointed out here
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=55863&page=2
- in Post #12, confirmed by BigDuke in Post 19, there are no photos of live ammunition. What is shown in the photos above is a bin full of used cartridge cases, i.e. scrap brass, and a bin full of bullets. Some jacketed, mostly lead, and a lot of those look like bullets for muzzle-loaders (note the deep recesses in the bases). So essentially a bin full of scrap lead. Since a lie is the deliberate presentation of an untruth in spite of knowledge to the contrary, I leave it to your judgement whether a police spokesman calling this "ammunition" constitutes a lie.
As to the weapons: whether any of them is in fact a usable weapon, or whether they are all de-acts, is again something about which we are probably not going to be told the truth.
Just terrifying. All those rounds of ammunition too. He could have hit someone in the eye with one of them. Good to see the UK media is just as bad as the US media.
that makes me sad. i'm assuming all the firearms will be destroyed.
it looks like he spent a lot of time and money on collecting his firearms, there are some pieces that would most of us would love to own (if possible). pity these was no legal way for him to own them so to do so he had to do it illegally.
is it standard police practice to disassemble live rounds, as none of ammunition looked live int the pics.
edit: you gents beat me to it.
That Bren looked good along with the Thompson, the AR-16 and...........Bugger some of them I would just like in my gun cabinet legally of course gents.
All these found a good home with me they are all inert the Red Devil was a good find as you do not often see them here. Interesting is the shape difference between the 2 Mills 36's the white one is dumpier could this be of WWI vintage.
I was hoping there may have been someone on the forum who may have been involved in the investigation, i.e. An expert witness. There is a lively debate on another forum and basicaly the deceased accused has been found guilty by some folk. I observed the inert ammo and also that the STEN Mk3 is clearly deactivated. What I tried to say to the forum members was that the story was false and had lost credability. I suspect there were live guns and ammo but nothing like the quantity stated and I believe in the Inocent until proven guilty statement.
In other words, no crimes were committed. He’s just a gun collector.Quote:
Experts from the National Ballistics Intelligence Service examined many of the weapons and could not find any link to known crimes.
'We have asked every question and followed every line of inquiry and have found no evidence of a criminal or terrorist motive.
'The best explanation to date is that he was a collector and a hoarder who collected these weapons in the way some people collect stamps.'
They may have to wait along time to prove him guilty......
So the wife (who turned him in to the police) gets to keep his estate or will the police take it?
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Originally Posted by Brit plumber
BP, I had never heard of him or any associates...... I looked up to see what I could find regarding Buckland and his Business, it seems he was involved or produced L1A1 straight pulls....... as for the story, I think it was just the press blowing it out of all proportion. As I said in Patricks post, I remember a big stink regarding a guy who collected grenades, a very impressive collection of No36 Grenades, probably all destroyed........
There is a few articles regarding Buckland, seems he was a Walter Mitty type, MBE, ex SAS etc...... but seems he was in the REME ..... and an Armourer !!! (strange types those REME Armourers )
See link below regarding an article in Gunmart regarding Buckland,
Bucklands Riflescopes review | Scopes and Optics Reviews | Gunmart
You have to feel sorry for the poor guy. All of those wonderful firearms and no chance of ever being able to shoot them . . . :crying:
No, sorry mate, I don't think you did. I apologize if that seems somewhat abrupt, but in cases where the evidence is being twisted, it is a mistake to let yourself be drawn into the twisted definitions of those who appear to have a certain agenda, thus inadvertently accepting their position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brit plumber
In the photos I have seen*, there is NOT ONE EXAMPLE OF A LIVE ROUND. But plenty of fired cartridge cases, as can be seen by the blackening and riffling in/around the necks, and the firing pin impressions on those few primers that can be seen. A fired case - no live primer, no powder, no projectile, is NOT INERT AMMO, IT IS NOT AMMO AT ALL.
Sorry to shout, but we should be precise about such things, as it seems that impreciseness is being used here by the press (and apparently the police) as a tool to paint a false picture.
*There may, of course, be others that I have not observed.
"Arnold died of pancreatic cancer, meaning he could never face prosecution" Uh, yeah. I bet they were ****ed when the reaper robbed 'em of the opportunity for a gun collector show trial of the century.
Next time wifey asks how many guns I have, I'm going to show her this. Meanwhile, I now desperately need an Uzi with bayonet.
(Wow, I got edited for a bad word, there's a first.)
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun Surfer
I am originally from the UK and I really appreciate being able to legally own machineguns and shoot them here in the US. It’s very refreshing to be allowed this personal responsibility after being denied it.
My brothers still live in the UK. One of them told me he pays £145 a year for a TV license. I told him that’s more than I pay in tax to own a machinegun for the rest of my life.
What's that??Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
TV licence --
We used to have them in Oz too. Essentially it is a tax you pay to be allowed to have and use a TV. There used to be one for radios, or as we called them - a wireless, as well.
Germany has introduced a special TV/radio tax on e v e r y household, whether they´ve got one or not. I keep on getting payment demands on an aircraft hangar out in the wilds (unheated and unconnected to drains or water supply), as they consider it a `household´. The charge for registering a firearm (or change of ownership) is exorbitant. But the income to the state is (I suppose) one small reason why they´ve not been banned.
LOL, I imagine somewhere in the world someone is charging for air to breathe. It runs about $1.50 for my tires now :)
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Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
That is being a little picky. It's like saying deactivated firearm when it has ceased to be a firearm.
An occupational hazard of being a collector of de-activated weapons in the U.K. is that there is always a possibility that some-one will claim them to be live weapons and report you to the Police. The Police will off-course have to investigate the matter and will normally want to inspect the weapons in question. This is why it is important when purchasing a new de-ac weapon to check that the serial number on the weapon matches the serial number on the certificate supplied with the gun. It has happened twice over the years that the wrong certificate has been sent to me when I have purchased a de-ac.
Well, the poor bloke died just after they found his collection. So I think he died happy and content. In one sense they found the hoard before he died and the criminals had raided the place to get the good stuff. But it is sad that the hoard will very likely be destroyed and other collectors won't have a chance to acquire any of them. yeah I agree the anti-gun media loves to go overboard on things like this.
The answer to any Police or other unwanted activity relating to your or anyones deactivated collection of deactivated 'things' (Never NEVER refer to them as firearms, they're NOT) is in your capable hands Flying 10. Just don't discuss it/them with you mates or others, even out of interest. Keep schtum. The cops can't inspect them unless....... Anyway, they ain't 'weapons.
The actual certificate is merely a duplication or paper confirmation of the mark on the item. If you haven't got one then it is of no consequence at all.
In relation to the case being discussed, I am pretty certain that the media were told only select parts of the information, and indeed, shown only certain parts of the haul. In fact I know they were.
Having spoken to people involved only last week, had the case gone to court (if the defendant had lived), then there would have been some very embarrassing information coming out about the source of some of the firearms in his possession. (lets say no more) Also, it didn't help Buckland that the fictitious character in his RFD records (well they never identified him, and nobody proved he existed) had many items from him (Buckland), one of which was is the defendant's collection/hoard. (I wonder where the rest went)
I'm surprised he ended up in Belmarsh, very surprised indeed, but lets face it; Whether the photos on the news showed empty cases, or deacts, there must have been enough unlicensed firearms and assorted items to keep him on remand until his death.
The moral of the story is, if you are going to have a domestic with the wife, make sure your collection of unlicensed firearms are safely locked away in the secret cave you have built in the house, first!
A policeman told me once that by far the biggest informants to the police about men are wives and girlfriends. There was yet another such case in the UK national newspapers this very week. Hell hath no fury like a woman spermed. Worldwide, whether we like it or not, if an apparent offence is reported, the cops have a duty to investigate
I would imagine that many a scorned 'lags wife' has been tapped up to become a snout! :madsmile:
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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I see lots of posts on here where people talk about their Bren, Sten, etc. These are weapons forums and one naturally assumes he’s talking about a real live firearm. Then, sometimes, after a few posts they just happen to mention it’s a Dewat. So I can see how a police officer could think they have a live weapon.
After reading these forums for a while now, I just assume they are all Dewats if the poster is in the UK.