Evidence The Titanic Was Sunk on Purpose - YouTube
Interesting perspective!!
Evidence The Titanic Was Sunk on Purpose - YouTube
Interesting perspective!!
has often been touted the Olympic went down good video enjoyed it
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The truth about the sinking of the Titanic - Telegraph
RMS Titanic alternative theories
The Titanic didnt sink, its sister the Olympic did!
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Doug
The common ones were the rivets were of inferior manufacturing standard and became brittle in the cold waters thus when the ship hit the iceberg they shattered causing the damage far greater than expected than had they been of better quality, water tight bulkheads not going up the full height of the hull.
I was thinking about the starboard side of the Olympic when the collision happened with the HMS Hawk and all that damage that was more severe than it first seemed the consequent major repairs and what affect that had, could it have been another nail in the ships coffin that was a good video I must say I have packed away somewhere a small paper back of a similar vein it is a great read cannot remember where I stored it nor its title but snippets of it.
Been to the traveling Titanic exhibit twice. I can't describe being able to touch a piece of that ship. A piece of hull is under glass with just enough room to stick a finger in to touch the steel. At least one of the davits was raised, that and all the personal artifacts, some identified to individuals with a short description of that persons life,,sad.
The ticket to enter the exhibit is a "Titanic boarding pass" with the real name of a passenger. At the end of the walk through there's a billboard with the names of those who lived or died. The two passengers I've been both died. I'd have better luck playing the slots I should think.
I think what has changed is the fact that the locating of the wreck site, spread over a wide area a number of years ago, still doesn't explain why the propeller was on the wrong ship or am I alone in that? That surely confirms the conspiracy if the Harland & Wolffe fitters and workers didn't notice!!
It does make for an interesting bit of maritime lore, and potentially a business scandal of substantial proportions, however the name on the side of the ship still doesn't diminish the scope of the disaster after the fact. If the ship was intentionally steamed into an iceberg the only thing that really changes is our modern perception of the cause of the disaster, everything after the ship struck ice remains unchanged.
If a company did indeed intentionally switch and scuttle a broken ship to claim the insurance money, then the conscious must have been quite heavy on the decision makers that crafted and executed the plan. Personally I would wonder why engineer an iceberg strike when a boiler explosion would have been much more easy to control and doubly effective, it could have been done just close enough to safety to endanger far fewer people. Even using a coal torpedo could have placed blame of sabotage on the coal labor strikes or some foreign entity.
However trying to prove and disprove conspiracy theories is like trying to capture smoke, rather than putting out the fire.
The problem I have with the prop theory is this. If Olympic threw her prop in the collision with the wreck and Titanic's had to be used to replace it. Then Titanic's would have to be recast and would still retain the 401 ship number. Olympic's was on the sea floor.
The meeting with the ships Captain and the subsequent hold the Co had over him would place a person whom probably loved the sea in a perilous position in losing his ship after he damaged so many of them, the Hawk collision was very much like another the Titanic (Olympic?) suffered when she left port for the journey when she made another ship snap her mooring lines on the dock and the stern started to drift out, the day was saved by a Tug boat had a collision occurred then the story may have had a different ending. The coal fires are just a fact of life we at a coal fired power station had constant bunker fires as coal spontaneously combusts, stock piles have to be meticulously maintained smooth sided where no eddies can be created by the wind where a fire will start biggest one in a coal fire is the H2S gas (Hydrogen Sulphide) couple of sniffs of that desensitizes your sense of smell and bingo you may end up dying if you stay in the area, plus the CO2 and CO will knock you over as well.
There seems to be so much FACT in the programme, it beggars believe as we once again analyse the incident all these years later.
I don't think the top people would have gone on the trip if they thought for one minute they were about to die, becuase it was the saving of the White Star line that was everything.
I think the California and the jumpers stationery in the Atlantic was never properly explained.
Why would you get your head down, with most of the crew including more importantly your radio man in mid Atlantic??
Interesting point, but as you say another conspiracy theory to swallow!!
Plenty of those theories Gil what with Rosewell, Area 51, The Philadelphia experiment, Did the moon landing occur tell you a really good read is a book called Dark Waters By Lee Vyborny and Don Davis not saying to much but its nuclear reactor was the size of a kitchen oven grab a copy and come back when you have read it.........
I,ve read about the Titanic, Olympic etc some time back, can't remember the whole plot so will need to catch up and watch the link, but for someone who has served an Apprenticeship in a Shipyard and having sailed on a few ships, the fact is a yard does make mistakes...... accidents that need to be covered up.... are and swept under the carpet if possible and kept as quiet as possible.
Although not on the same scale but, Take one Type 42 destroyer, HMS Sheffield (D80) think we all know what happened to it.....
When it was being built due to some work being done in one of the tanks or void spaces, can't remember the exact reason for the accident (am sure it was a ruptured oxygen line from burning equipment and along with other work being carried out) an explosion occurred which ripped through the aft end, the explosion was so severe, part of the Hull section was removed and a part from the " Hércules " used to replace it, an identical ship being built at the same time for the Argentine Navy............
Although the work was all complete for the visit of a Royal........ I very much doubt in the conversation it was said, " By the way we had a massive explosion in the arse end that killed two of the lads"
I remember the pics that were in the training school very well, some quite vivid (all in Black and White) ...... strange thing is we were told the story not because of the logistics behind it but because of the after affects regarding injury, in which many years later the Workers who were on the deck at the time suffered bad knees through the force of the explosion, it never affected them at the time but much later in life.
I don't know the ins and outs of Lloyds back then but doubt it differed too much from today, apart from computers and paperwork.
The fact everything has a number etc, and certain parts are tested and passed by them, so if your traveling past Taiwan, and need a spare head for a Geny, its a good opportunity , but for lloyds to even look at it, it needs to comply with a list of steel requirements, the steel itself will need certificates before it would even make it to a foundry to be cast etc...........
Regarding the props, the Titanic, Olympic and Britanic had one fixed prop (centre) which was a complete casting and one either side which was a variable prop, (not to be compared with todays variable / controllable pitch propeller, otherwise known as CPP or VPP) the pitch could only be set in dry dock, but with this set up it had three blades attached to the hub so if one was lost due to collision damage etc, its not a complete casting to replace and an easy job to replace.
A job lot of ships, would require spares, known spares such as props etc would of been cast at the time of the build or a job lot would of been cast for the three vessels, "even back then time is money" and doubt White Star would hang around waiting for a full prop or blade to be cast, they would of had spares on hand even on board if possible or at set locations.
Ship yards don't wait to build another until the first is built its a production line (well it used to be ), things are ordered well before the keel is laid, today the Main Engines are ordered a few years before the build commences.
A blade or full prop could of been marked up with an ID Number but maybe used for another vessel when the need arrises........ at the the end of the day it all comes down to the bean counters, its possible that one set of spares was made but one set for each vessel was accounted for......
I do enjoy the conspiracy theories, regarding the Moon landings, they say it would cost more than the mission itself to pay everyone off who were involved to keep quiet........
Then there is the all time favourite, " Who was standing on the grassy knoll"
Now that one I do believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
After reading Bid Duke's post I suspect that half if not all conspiracy theories are the product of people with a supposition that the 'evidence' adds up to 'X' while ignorant of what lies in the background - in this case, the how of the ship-building in the day, and the what of White Star's and Lloyd's oversight, etc. But then, that is just my suspicion which is essentially very much like a conspiracy theory.
On another note and in another ocean: USS Conestoga Wreckage Discovered Nearly a Century After Sinking - ABC News