the question is did Israel use this type of bayonet or will it be just another fake?
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the question is did Israel use this type of bayonet or will it be just another fake?
I don't know the answer you asked for but........ There's a certain irony in the question regarding whether Israel used AKM bayonets and therefore AKM rifles. It's called '...getting your own back.....' Literally in this case!
Peter..... I have a small collection of AK/AKM bayonets but dont have one from Israel. I always thought that the UK, USA supplied bayonets then they made there own. i have been offered a "so called" Israeli AKM2 with a mark I dont know. The person selling it does not seem to happy to offer extra info! ....paul.
As far as I know they never used AKs...
They used M16's etc, so why would they need AKM bayonets? they must have plenty and if they were being used for "nefarious" reasons then you'd hardly want to put a marking on them. Be interested to see the marking but would never believe it. Other countries have made bayonets for the AKM that are not the Russian style but not eh Israeli's as far as I know
http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/...d_bayonets.htm
Over the years, certain units of the IDF have used AKs, but they were never general or wide issue. As of the 1980s, when I was in the IDF, no bayonets were issued, and I never heard of any IDF-property AK bayonets. I would be skeptical of any Israeli-marked AK or AK bayonet, but would love to see the pics.
here is the link....
Israeli Wire Cutter AK Bayonet | eBay
I am not going to bid as I dont think its 100%.....paul.
I was a Combat Engineer in the IDF, and we got wire-cutters.
A. I see no reason why those would have been issued.
2. I never saw or heard of any in use.
III. The Tzadik mark is too big for IDF standard, and it just doesn't look right to me.
I don't buy it as legit.
it just shows .....alot of effort for little reward, why fake it...! thanks to all....paul p.s. I am a ex combat engineer (british army) and in the 80,s the wirecutters we used were from the 40,s
Same thing here in Canada...Quote:
Originally Posted by timeout
If'n it ain't broke............
Did you Combat Engineers have those long roll-up two-handed saws that you could unroll. Then insert a wood handle into a loop at each end. Then proceed to cut down trees. The tank crews had them in the stowage bins. Good idea (?) in theory but never saw one used as the Assault Pioneers who assaulted with the tanks and tank infantry had fxxxxxx great powerful militarised Husquvana chain saws! Sorry about Husquvana spelling!!!!!!!
No we had a chain with wooden handles but it was only good for trees about 5-6 inches in dia. They were never sharp
We had those in the survival kits, never used them though. We always had something a bit better. Our tank crews just ran over the trees.
I am sure I saw a similar itme for sale when I was seriously collecting AK's and it was considered a fake then as well
No, but we did have all sorts of demo charges we could tailor for trees!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
While the AKM bayonet referred to in this thread may or may not be genuine ex Israeli armed forces, Israel must have captured many thousands of AKs, AKMs and their associated bayonets over the years. Does any-one know what Israel did with them if they didn't use them themselves? Most if not all of Israel's neighbour's did and sill do use this weapon.
Israel has surplused/sold stuff all over the world; some for commercial profit, some for political profit. I would guess that wherever the AKs went, the bayonets and other accessories also got tossed into the crates.
interesting..... did you guys notice the mark on the scabbard, Does anyone think that it could be added post manufacture? to me it looks like the scabbard was made with the mark, but thats only from the photo.....paul
The mark on the blade looks like a lazer etch or could even be an ink stamp. The mark on the scabbard is set in with a hot stamp and could be applied any time...they both could.
The scabbard marking looks like it's been laser etched and only just done too; there is no sign of grease or dirt on the marking as may be expected.