I came across this and thought some of you would like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjpjn0DvT4o
Interesting to see STG44s sell for around $300 there.
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I came across this and thought some of you would like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjpjn0DvT4o
Interesting to see STG44s sell for around $300 there.
Some short years back we say some footage of cases of STGs in Lybia. Cases...probably hundreds if not thousands... Love to go through them to see what's early, there probably isn't one set of matching numbers there anywhere.
That is interesting, Afghanistan circa 2006, a Chinese built AK ran about $300 USD, while Russian and other first rate built guns ran for $6-700.
You mean an older steel solid AK, not the later stamped and bent sheet steel receiver?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
You know I never thought to ask, just looked through my pictures and I do not have any of the milled Chinese AK, they are all the stamped type.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Some AK purist will probably jump on this, but I seem to recall the stamped versions with the dimple near the magazine well are considered an AKM?
Based on that Chinese AKM's were cheaper than the Russian, East German, or other Soviet country produced pieces.
I have only every handled one Chinese milled receiver rifle, it came out of the TMM collections, it was very well made, and had a bullet hole through the buttstock. It was a 1950/60's gun and the accessioning number indicated we got in sometime in the 1990's probably from one of the Balkans tours as it was a fully function FA version, formerly equipped with folding spike bayonet.
Ok, I follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
TMM? I had several in the small arms school collection in Gagetown...some with and some without bayonets. Most were machined body that came from the '74 war in Cyprus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
TMM, New speak for The Military Museum, formerly the PPCLi Regimental Museum. Could have been a Cyprus find, but I never had the records available to dig up and follow.
We have another one, stamped AKM though, with a hand made butt and an artful UCK - Kosovo Liberation Army crest on the stock, it too is a Chinese built rifle.
dam...
Been there several times...specially back when it was the Regt Museum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
Are these WW2 weapons that have turned up in Syria likely to have come out of storage from within Syria and have been there for many years? Or are they more likely to have been imported to Syria after the civil war started and come out of storage from, perhaps, eastern Europe?
Odds are they were there or near by, although some - if not a lot - of it could have come from Eastern Europe.
We had all sorts of WWII stuff showing up in Vietnam that had been sent to NVN from Warsaw Pact/Soviet stockpiles. I would expect lot of what remained in the former Warsaw Pact/Soviet stockpiles was sold off in the 1990s for hard currencies.
Syria took or was given a lot of German weapons after WW2, including German military advisors who set the post WW2 army up along German lines. Plenty of pictures of Panzer IVs and assorted German artillery used against the Israelis is available on the net.
There’s really no way to tell where they were stored. Probably somewhere that’s sympathetic to their cause. They would fetch a lot more on the open market, even deactivated.
eeek! i think i'm turning into a dirty hippie. i love seeing steam loco's hauling trains, vintage aircraft flying and old cars on the road/track, but seeing those weapons still in action makes me sad.
with all the different weapons being used it must be a nightmare getting the right ammo to the right people.
As a matter of fact, it would be a horror show. The only ones to benefit would be the enemy. They likely wouldn't face much incoming...Quote:
Originally Posted by henry r
Are you sure that clip wasn't shot in Detroit?
There seems to have been a significant number of weapons that have come from storage in eastern Europe that have found their way to the U.K., to be deactivated to U.K.spec., and then sold off over the last 20 or so years. It looks like a significant number have also ended up in Syria but a question mark remains as to exactly when.
You could ask C4ADS (The Center for Advanced Defense Studies). They have a lot of data and might have the answer.
It’s amazing what you can find with the right tools. Here’s a video on “The Odessa Network.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaqkY5PJQJ0