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I recently purchased a helmet, and was wondering if anyone of you knew what kind it was.
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It looks like some kind of english helmet to me, but i'm not an expert. :)
Looks like a newer English Brodie...
Thanks for the quick reaction :)
after WWII many countries continued using the British MKII Brodie style helmets, is the paint green or possible a desert tan? because many of these were used by the Israelis and painted a desert tan color.
Could be anything but the markings should be able to tell you who made it. Look up Brodie manufacturers. I picked one up a few months ago that turned out to be Canadian.
It may be a Belgian helmet.
Did Belgium use any of the British style of Brodie helmet other than those which operated from the U.K. after the fall of their own country to the Nazis? I thought that Belgium used the French style of helmet normally or did they use both???
Yes Belgium did use these too but I don't think they made their own. They had a bit of everything through time, as you say the Adrian as well. They had a few really neat helmets including a home produced paratroop version that looked much like an M1C or M2 but just a tad smaller in stature. A very compact and serviceable helmet I'd have liked to have worn for service...
I do have a French Adrian helmet and when I tried wearing it I was surprised just how comfortable it felt, for a steel helmet.
Considering how far back they made them and all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
I have a WW2 French Model 1926 with a brand new replacement liner I bought from a seller in France, and it's very comfortable, it's almost like wearing a hat, the M26 is an improvement of the early WW1 M1915 has a stronger shell with better quality steel and the liner design feels more comfortable with the spring tension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
I wore it for an a couple hours just to break it in and get the "feel" of it for evaluation
It would be interesting to learn how the French arrived at their design of helmet because it surely can't have been by accident that they got it so comfortable.
It is likely post-war Dutch, converted from British or Canadian helmets.
I have one just like yours that I bought years ago. Mine also has the leather neck flap.
Mine has "VB5512SLO" on the underside of the rim in back, and the number "56" stenciled on the metal liner strap.
Is there any and if so, what are the differences between the Brit Brodie and American Kelly helmets?
Concerning Helmet comfort, I was in the US Army back when the old "steel pot" was still around. It was a remarkably useful piece of equipment but not made for comfort being "one size fits most." I have a small head and the old pot used to wallow and wobble all around my head. Comfortable it was not!
I have a late German Border Guards 'Stahelm' in a good size for me and it is a wonderfully comfortable helmet to wear. I also have an old Swiss helmet resembling the stahelm style. It is also overlarge for me but still more comfortable than the old 'pot.' Maybe the liners made a difference. They fit over as well as around the head whereas the old GI helmet just had a narrow, about 1" head band to support it.
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I believe that the U.S. made version of the British Brodie helmet had a different style of liner and possibly the chinstrap to the British version.
I wore one of those for 25 years before the Kevlar came out...once adjusted they were not too bad. Lots of guys had small heads too...just over size 6 for instance...kind of like fitting it to a pool ball... Makes me wonder how you had it fitted...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
Had the 'pleasure' of both types- even fitted properly on my 7 3/8 brain housing unit, the M1 did not sit deep enough to prevent the bobblehead effect, which we never realized until the kevlar came out. We just got used to it. The 'kevlar' sits lower and thus lowers the CG. If you add a helmet pad, the M1 is even worse, the kevlar less so. I do admit that the kevlar could also (when you hunched down in a sleep position) rest on the older flak vest and thus let you catch a few Zs. But then I never had to use my M1 to shave or boil water with, went to DS2 with a kevlar. Since then, I became an 8th grade teacher and have examples of both in my class for when we get to VN and post-VN in the social studies curriculum.
I was recently reading an interesting article, which I found on-line, on the Post War East German helmet and basically it said that the design was copied from a proposed new design of steel helmet that was thought up towards the end of WW2. It didn't go into production because Hitler didn't like the look of it even though it provided better protection than the helmets the Wehrmacht were then using.
For reference, one design adopted by the KVP was the M54 which had an appearance of a hybrid between the Fallschirmjager and the M35; the other was the M56, drawing more closely on the rejected 1943-44 prototype and which is the more widely known NVA one.
the US M1 steel helmet is the only helmet that is big enough to fit me, some are too small, depending on the type of liner, the late M1 liners that snap in and can be removed for cleaning are usually too small for me, the extra space used for the snaps makes it too narrow for my wide head.
We had a couple guys like that, they'd wear a bush hat inside the outer only...Quote:
Originally Posted by bolo
Does the Canadian Army currently use the U.S. helmet?
We do not. We have our own CG634, a variant the of the French designed Gallet TC-3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
Wikipedia covers it well:
The CG634 is made of Aramid (Kevlar) and has a minimum v50 of 634 m/s (compared to the PASGT's 610 m/s). It mates a modified French design, based on the PASGT, but adapted for comptability with Canadian equipment (head-set, respirator, vision devices, and armoured vest). The suspension system combines a thick foam trauma liner with a rubber and nylon webbing suspension based on the French Mle-78 (Gallet TC-3). The CG634 has a 4-point chinstrap with flip down adjustment pieces.[3]
The CG634 has a somewhat similar shape and is sometimes mistaken for the later United States Army's MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet. The MICH uses a foam padding system in its ground combat helmet instead of webbing. The only pad system approved for use in combat is manufactured by Team Wendy and supplied by National Industries for the Blind.[4] These pads may also be used with the CG634.
When necessary, a night vision goggle mount is issued. The mount consists of a green metal bracket that hooks over the front of the helmet and the mount which is screwed into it. There is a strap that loops through the mount and connects to a large ring which is usually on the top of the helmet and two more straps secure the mount to the back of the helmet.[1] The mount is compatible with AN/PVS-7 and AN/PVS-14 night vision systems.[citation needed]
Helmets with this stamp on the rim are actual Dutch made helmets. VB is for Verblifa Vereenigde Blikfabrieken. Direct copy of the MkII.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebSmithEddy
The last word possibly translates as factory or, perhaps, manufacturer given that it appears similar to the German Fabrik? Does anyone know what the first two words stand for, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by mk1rceme
Verblifa United Canned Factories - google translate Dutch to English.
Vereenigde means United as per the post from Sentryduty. Blikfabrieken could be something like Tin Factory. Verblifa is a name as far as I can tell.
I assume from Sentry's Post that Blik is Dutch for Can or Tinned.
Yes, blik = can. Fabriek = factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
You notice that the Dutch for factory is very similar to the German equivalent and I have heard from people that there are similarities between the 2 languages.