German Machine Gunner begins to fire instantly his MG 42, using the shoulder of his loader, against Soviet Infantry during the Battle of Kursk.
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German Machine Gunner begins to fire instantly his MG 42, using the shoulder of his loader, against Soviet Infantry during the Battle of Kursk.
Is anyone able to think of an appropriate caption for the picture, please?
Hearing Test?
"bend over, this won't take a minute."
Don't be nervous, I know what I'm doing.
'Stay still Hermann. The rabbit is only 300 Meters away'!...........
"Hey, I just remembered that it's actually your turn...."
The Soviets knew the German plans to attack the Kursk salient and were waiting for them. British cryptographers at Bletchley Park had broken the Lorenz cipher. The fifth member of Cambridge Five Soviet spy ring, John Cairncross, had sent the Soviets decrypted German messages.
Interesting 7,92mm links that could be used in the MG 34 and MG 42 but designed for aircraft m/g'https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../20zs1ee-1.jpg
The disintegrating links were a breakthrough designed for aircraft, trying to determine who and exactly when is difficult. It was either at the end of WW1 or just after. It added a modicum of weight but got rid of the bulk of belts. In WW1 the aircraft with Vickers and Maxim had to have large drums to accumulate their expended belt...that's why Lewis guns had some favor. The ground gun pictured is still using of course, the 50 rd joinable non disintegrating belts.
Are fixed wing aircraft and helicopters, nowadays, generally not dropping spent cases,disintegrating links but have means to capture them after being fired? Obviously, with jets there is always a danger of such items getting into engine intakes.
Depends on the installation, however the ones I have seen the spent brass and link falls to the earth below:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
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The A-10’s GAU 8 Gatling Gun retains the spent casings.
One of benefits of keeping the casings is it helps reduce the shift of the center of gravity when the gun is fired.
Like it was poured out of buckets. Most of our jets of the last 25 years were all dropping brass. They could be found on the approaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
Brit Service Hellicoptors, use a buffered mount for a variant of the GPMG. It has a canvas bag underneath. Which captures the Link & spent cases together.
I'm guessing it would be much like the SF kit buffers? Those are super...Quote:
Originally Posted by tankhunter
I had got the idea that the U.K. did captured the spent cases/links but wasn't entirely sure of the reasons for it. I did wonder if there was some obscure security concern behind it such as the items being of some use to an enemy?
That is severely overthinking OPSEC, its for keeping things tidy and preventing FOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
We have to use a brass catcher or deflector when helicopter hog hunting with machine guns.
Here’s a video where you can see the brass deflector.
Helicopter Hog Hunting with Machine Guns - YouTube
Wild hogs are pests here. Their population has exploded and they do a tremendous amount of damage to crops. There’s no hunting season for them. You can hunt them year round.
The helicopter hunting is expensive. But how often do you get a chance to shoot wild hogs from a helicopter with a machine gun with Richard Wagner’s The Ride of the Valkyries playing in your headset?
I did the UK trials as the tech offr on the minigun (thread 12) Our brass (and link) went down a blue shute and fell into a huge tub. You could really direct it anywhere but Dillon had a few different ejector shutes to try. The best bit of the month long trial was firing the gun one day, non stop, until something broke. A barrel disintegrated. Really, it was all good!
It's a good concept, 6 barrels running at max rate (6000) puts the individual firing rate down to 1000 Rpm/barrel, combined with air cooling from spinning does help things, running on low rate each barrel is thumping about 333 rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
So on the test to breakage, to the nearest 1000 (5000) or so where would you say the failure occurred?
I think it was up into the 40,000 round area. We had emptied one ammo bin and had to stop to reload the bin again with belts. Caught it on the video but it wasn't running on high speed/slow motion. Dillon was a great bloke and ready to listen to any sensible comments or suggestions. Including one to cross drill the rotor to vent off gas in the event of a miss feed causing a breech explosion (once for us). I seem to remember that a replacement set of barrels was very cheap and everything was so simple. Including stripping, cleaning and assembly. A great trial and some great people. I used to sit and wonder........ what are we still faffing around with GPMG's for!
And then you fixed it and went on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Because they're mudroller friendly and man packable with manageable ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Yes Jim, they are same 'working' section top halves. As used on Series Three Land rovers. The Principle is similar to the SF Tripod buffering action. It s just the yoke mounting section that is different, with the addition of the canvas bag underneath. used on Helicopters. I have had a few of them over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
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No that is not the reason why. you REALLY don't want Brass & link skidding about in an Aircraft of ANY type! In Helicopters, the gunner needs to manoeuvre about on his feet. Engaging different targets, & tracking them with the gun & mount combined. it would indeed be Dangerous, to be skidding about treading on Link etc, whilst attempting to manoeuvre!........:ugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
That is a very important point, a C9 LMG runs between 750-1000 rpm (normal vs adverse) and many gunners have a habit of running through ammo like a dog p*ssing up a fire hydrant, a weapon with 6 times the rate of fire would make consumption very rapid.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
A Schnellbrand Kanone has no place in the hands of infantry. Leave them mounted on vehicles and air defence. They're invaluable but not for us. This ain't the movies...(Jesse-the-half-body Ventura in Preditor)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
Precisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
You know, here is a head scratcher.
Take one of these Dillion Miniguns, and mount it on a fixed SF rig suitable for the gun, use a fire control computer to program proper burst length and employ it like a GPMG.
Following the theory of machine gun fire, how does the beaten zone compare at 1800 metres? larger, smaller, dense, sparse, exactly the same? I wonder how it would "pattern" compared to a single barrel gun at such ranges.
How does the cone of fire look? How much additional spin drift does the round exhibit due to the rotation speed of the barrel, any?
It would be like man packing a TOW missile system around so not feasible, but I wonder how the shot density compares against the conventional single barrel GPMG.
I don't know...the rotation of the barrels is moot because it fires from one barrel at the bottom...I think it's as stable as any system as long as the mount is stable. They fire from extremely slow to all the ammo in one breath(that's the technical description) but the guys would crank-er up. Remember, they were originally for area anyway...not for producing "A close and accurate grouping of shots when fired from the" on and on... I guess that means we have to take one out and try it. Maybe Vincent has one we could give a spin(literally)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentryduty
Does anyone have any information on a new to the British Armed Forces (Royal Navy?) 50cal machine gun, please? I don't think that it has anything to do with the Browning style of MG but is something relatively new? I believe that I saw/read some brief reference to it a while back but I don't know any further details.