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Hello all,
I'm in the process of rebuilding a No5 that had been tastefully sporterized and rebarrelled to 303/22. I've got all the metal bits and the butt stock to rebuild and I've decided to go down the path of reworking No4 timbers to fit but am looking for dimensions for the hand guard, overall length, length from ring end to band and front and rear width. Is anyone able to assist, Thanks.
Bob
What sort of No 4 fore-end will you be modifying?
SavageQuote:
Originally Posted by Maxwell Smart
I am pretty sure a No 4 rear handguard wont be long enough.
On a No 5 fore-end I have, the distance in the barrel channel from the front edge of the ring groove to the back edge of the band groove is 197.5mm. I don't have a genuine No 5 handguard.
There is enough length in a No 4 rear handguard to make a No 5 one.
I think a problem might lie in cutting the No 4 fore-end to No 5 length - depending upon the make of fore-end, the lightening grooves can leave an open end when rounded off. This seems to be part of the reason that the Numrich repros don't quite match a genuine No 5 stock.
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First photo No 5 stock beside No 4 stock with lightening grooves highlighted. Cutting a No 4 stock to No 5 length will usually leave an open hole at the end where the groove is cut through. There might be some No 4 stocks with a different groove arrangement that don't have this issue.
Second and third photos comparison between a Numrich modified No 4 stock (top) and No 5 one. The Numrich stock has been cut off short to avoid straying into the next lightening cut forward in the original No 4 stock.
Fourth photo comparison between Numrich "No 5" handguard and standard No 4 one. The Numrich handguard would be about 5mm longer than a No 5 one, I think.
Hello,
I just pulled apart two of my No.5s, and here is what I came up with
(all measurements taken from the rear of the handguard)
overall length=225.42mm
length to the barrel band groove=201.61mm
barrel band groove=11.11mm
remainder, from front of groove cut to front of handguard=12.7mm
Handguard manufacturers were both Fazakerly (F) and BSA (M47A).
Best of luck with the project.
The No4 type modified fore-ends for the No5's we used to get through Ordnance could be identified by the square wood patch inserted into the formerly open lightening groove of the No4 fore-end. Over timne this was almost invisible. Same as the converted No4 butts. The little insert for the sling swivel plate was there but barely visible.
It is the most simple job to convert No4 butts, f/ends and handguards to No5 spec
Thanks, Peter. That´s what I did, except for the buttstock (I already had a longer one). Think the forend need a bit of slimming down as well.
You're right Villiers. It does need a small bit of titivating but the whole job for the complete wood set will take no more than about 1.5 hours or so.
Thanks everyone for the replies. I've already done the cut on a damaged No 4 stock and inserted the patch. Just waiting for the handguard to arrive and have the barrel fitted. I'll post a before and after when it's done, once again thanks for the measurements.
Bob
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Thanks so much for your efforts. Just what I wanted. BobQuote:
Originally Posted by smle addict
Not to revive an old thread but I am in the same position. I am going to try to make a No. 4 stock and handguard work for my No. 5. Does anyone know how the slot/groove for the barrel band is cut into the wood? What tools do you use and how deep is the cut? Any other info. would be appreciated. Thanks!
Welcome to the forum. Just normal wood tools for this one...nothing magic... Be very careful and work slowly. Hand fitting is just a slow process.
BAR is right. I've modded quite a few No4 forends to No5 spec over the years, & as Peter also said, it's not difficult, you just need to work slowly & carefully. You will need to slim down the No4 wood & re-cut the barrel band slot. I don't have the measurements for the siting of the re-cut band slot for the No5 handy, but no doubt someone will help here. If you could get hold of an original No5 guard it would be a little easier as it will act as a template for locating the cuts for the band on the modded forend. If you use a patch for the lightening groove slot from the severed front bit of No4 forend you will also avoid the problem of getting a colour match for the patch. Waste not want not!
Please don't hack up an unmodified no. 4 fore end for this! They are hard enough to find as it is.
You better sell him a set of wood then...from a #5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigwagon