Substitute Standard Type 99 with Wire Bail Sling

Just won this in an online auction. I like good clean up rifles like this to save and bring back. The auction house didn't put too much info on arsenal or series number, but you can see it's a Nagoya on the receiver. 8th series perhaps? Lots of surface rust and some a bit deeper, but I'm hoping I can save it. Stock looks un messed with in my opinion and still has some writing in paint on the butt stock. Supposedly the mum is still intact but it's hard to see in the photos. I know a lot of times people will claim intact mums if even the tiniest part still shows.

The sling appears to be one of the "quick detach" varieties. Hopefully the metal on that will clean up a bit too. I figured those are a bit hard to find and it looks like it was on this rifle for some time. It was one of the other reasons I decided to try and pick it up.

Any thoughts, besides that I'm crazy for picking this up? Haha! I paid $290, but it'll be a bit more than that after shipping and buyers fees. I like cleaning up these "closet find" Japanese rifles this past year.

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In the last pic, it sure looks like the mum's intact.
That's one heck of a project you chose for yourself, good luck!

Actually, I like the way it looks as is. It looks complete and unmessed with. Are the screws staked? I know some people won't agree but I wouldn't even take it apart. Just wipe the metal down with oil to stop further rust. You don't often see untouched example without mixed parts or butchered wood. Salt Flat

I don't have it on hand yet, so I'm not sure if it's still staked. If it is I plan on leaving them that way. The rust will have to be dealt with to keep any more damage from happening, but that will be the extent of the cleaning that will be done to the rifle.

I guess I'd be one to disagree. If the rust is that bad on the exposed surfaces, who knows how bad it is under the wood. It might be fine but I'd examine it pretty closely before deciding not to take it apart. I'd get rid of the rust which will involve more than just wiping down. It looks like it is just like orange surface rust and probably hasn't pitted anything yet. Also the original finish surprisingly is under that in a lot of cases.

The sling is a nice plus. Looks to be in fairly good condition.

I would put something on it to stop the progression of any further rust and that is it. I love how it looks! :D

The rifle finally arrived at the shop today, and boy it's a bit more rough in some areas than I though. Sling looks to be in great condition though. Screws are unstaked already so I'll be taking it apart to look under the wood. The bolt is seized up completely at this point. I'll soak it in Kroil and see if that helps to start. I see the extractor matches but can't make anything else out yet on the bolt handle. I still feel it will clean up pretty well. Here are some photos I took before I began any rust removal.

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I reckon you have the makings of a good project there get it cleaned up the stock fixed up & RLO'ed be nice I reckon hopefully the bore has not suffered too much is it a 6.5 or a 7.7.

Yes, I think this one needs some TLC for sure. I find the buttplate interesting, a hardwood? The sling is something I've never seen before. Those wire hooks would be a bit noisier than one would want, loose metal on metal... This one will be interesting to see after you have it sorted out. It's interesting now...

That should clean up nice with the exception of the bolt. That's going to have some serious pitting. Hopefully will still function. I have a repro sling like that. Keep them tight and they are quiet and they are easy to tighten and loosen.

Finally cleaned up my 8th series Nagoya Type 99 I bought at an auction in Florida last month. It could still use a bit more work, but the active rust is pretty much all taken care of. It took putting the bolt in an electrolysis tank to finally get it apart. I use a brass brush to finish it off and now it works perfectly. Only downside is some of the bluing was lost to the rust on the bolt, but everything else came out fine. The wire bale sling also came out perfect minus some rust damage on the sling itself.

The rifle is all matching and looks great with the patina it has built up. Let me hear your thoughts everyone!

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Much better now, don't look at it as you lost some blue, it was never there for you. The rust is gone and now it's serviceable.

Nice save. How is the bore?

Very nice the next job I guess is the stock but in seeing the butt when the heel was originally off the rifle in #7 I gather this one will not be a shooter.

Lemon juice will get rid of the rust on the sling. They have the concentrate at the supermarkets. Dab it on so it is soaked and put it out in the sun. Has to be in the sun or it won't work. No scrubbing necessary and it will just vanish. Almost as amazing as electrolysis.

The rifle looks great by the way.

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

Lemon juice will get rid of the rust on the sling. They have the concentrate at the supermarkets. Dab it on so it is soaked and put it out in the sun. Has to be in the sun or it won't work. No scrubbing necessary and it will just vanish. Almost as amazing as electrolysis.

The rifle looks great by the way.

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Thanks! Appreciate the tip. I'll give that a try this week and see how it works.

Appreciate the comments everyone! It was one of the more intensive projects I've had in terms of rust, but it came together well. As for the stock issue with the butt, I think this rifle sat in a corner wet for some time, causing the odd damage to just the bottom of the wooden buttplate. The finish on the edges is just fine, but the plate itself turned back to bare wood it seems. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. The biggest issue with that is that the nails are rusted. Not sure what to do for them except put some oil on them and hope for the best. I can't take anything abrasive them without damaging the wood.