Need help ID'ing a No 4 Mk 1 sportered Enfield I picked up today

I picked up a sportered No 4 Mk 1 today that I'm going to rescue. Looks like the date and serial number are on the left wrist, but there's nothing but a sideways "7" on the right wrist. Nothing is under the "No 4 Mk 1" stamped on the left side of the receiver either. I'm kind of stumped on who made it, and wondering if it's not some type of Khyber Pass Enfield. It's stamped on the right end of the barrel CAI with 303B UK under it. I'd appreciate any help ID'ing it. There are no other marks on it other than the ones I have pictured.

Thanks!
Ray

BSA 1942. The original number commenced H-xxxxx and 10177 probably isn't the opriginal number

You're ok, it's not a Khyber special, it was made by BSA Shirley near Birmingham in the UK in 1942. People usually associate M47 or M47/C with BSA produced No4's, but they didn't start using that designation until 1943. Earlier rifles are just marked 'B' (for BSA), followed by the year of manufacture. I would concur with Peter's comments on the serial number.

Providing the bores OK, it should restore very nicely, still plenty of No4 woodwork available and you have an unmolested barrel with the bayonet lugs intact.

In the 5th photo there is a faint "H" in front of the 10177.

The right side of the butt socket (3rd photo) looks as if it had been scrubbed before the "7" was applied.

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Originally Posted by RazorBurn

I'm kind of stumped on who made it, and wondering if it's not some type of Khyber Pass Enfield.

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Not Khyber pass, but the good condition of the root a.k.a. knoxform on the barrel versus the scrubbed/rough refinished look of the receiver suggests that it is a bitsa.

Thank you everyone for the replies! Bore and muzzle wear are excellent. Once I get the stock set in I'll post pictures of the finished product. This is my fourth Enfield, and my first one that is from the United Kingdom. My others are a Long Branch, a Lithgow, and a Savage. I just hate seeing a sportered milsurp that can be saved. The shop I picked this one up also has a sportered Brazilian Mauser that's next on my list.

If you go to the search field top Rt on the home page type in what you wish to look for like "Fitting Stock" you should find information to help you do the task.
Peter Laidler and others of his era & skills set on this site have written reams and reams of information on the "How To's" for working on the Lee Enfield line of rifles. Very useful for fitting stocks etc can save you some costly mistakes. As a book can only explain stuff to a certain level what these chaps have written is from the school of hard knocks and hands on experience which no book can help to match unless like some here that wrote the book.

This link will help you get started to study up before you get the replacement stock you require;
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=16948
Good rescue by the way.

I would echo Cinders advice, stocking up and bedding is a really rewarding and very interesting endevour.

Peter, Mike and the other professionals have provided in depth knowledge for us, so thoughly digest, take your time and enjoy!

Thanks for all the responses guys. I was going to ask about the serial number being in the Maltby run of serial numbers. Should I be concerned about that, and is this something that would be a red flag? Or is it something that could have happened when it went through rearsenal? I've had the Enfield help links bookmarked for a long time, and refer to them pretty often. Thanks so much for those that have contributed to them. They are a great help!

I wouldn't worry, I don't think any red flags need hoisting here, its just a good old No4 that's been round the block a few times. As to being re-numbered, well, that might have happened at any point in the last 70 years, who knows!

The good thing is, you have a rifle that can be put back into service spec without difficulty (or undue cost) and provide years of classic rifle shooting enjoyment without having to be concerned about value.

If it was my No4 I would just stick a Mk1 Singer backsight on there too.

Looking once more at the number: could that faint letter be an "R"? And would R10177 be a plausible number?

And since the barrel is apparently v.g.c. and looks much cleaner than the receiver: could it have been rebarreled?

But the previous post makes the most important point: regardless of who/when/where, it is a No.4 that is eminently fixable without fear of damaging the so-called "collector" value.

Refurbish and enjoy shooting with it!

Looks similar to this one, which this board decided some years ago was a BSA. (I changed the cocking-piece myself as the pull-off was awful)

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...standard-2.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...standard-3.jpg

I'd agree it's likely a BSA - the very rough machining marks on the body are absolutely typical of early BSA production (1941 & 1942). I do not think they were added after the event in the case of the first rifle either. I have several similar B41 & B42 receivers in a tat box awaiting the day when I find the enthusiasm to build them back up into complete rifles....

Thought I'd post an update on this Enfield. I finished it up this evening, and thought I'd share.

Very nice of course it is required now a range report on how the rifle shoots........