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I have the bag and CMP papers. The Inland has an Underwood 12/43 barrel, type 1 band, IO stock with DOD stamp, type 3 sight, round bolt, and normal updates of the 1953 packaged M1 Carbines. Overall condition is superb 99++% as it was packed. The dry powder on the carbine and the cardboard bore snake have been removed. The Carbine has not been altered in any way since 1953.
White bag carbines can go for big money depending on condition and sometimes they sell for big money because someone just has to have one without condition mattering as much. Also, they seem to gravitate in the 1200 to 1800 range, but like with any carbine oddity sometimes they don't sell in record time due to the amount involved. Yours won't be helped by the replacement barrel so it will be a matter of finding the right buyer. It sounds like a neat carbine!
I disagree about the barrel - its a rebuild so it could have any parts on it. The point is it is in pristine Armory condition, not that its in any way supposed to be a 'correct' as-manufactured carbine. Its value comes from being a 'white-bag', not how much of it is still original. You have to assume its a refinish and usually in a different stock too, but that all goes with the territory. But in order to get top dollar, it basically has to be unfired or at least fired very little since opening the bag.
Inland44 is wright about the Underwood barrel on an Inland carbine. The carbine is as the DOD wanted it to be. I think it is a shame so many carbines are shuffled like a deck of cards; then sold as correct. Sorry, but that's my 2 cents worth.
Another way to look at is that it's as DOD wanted at rebuild or rearsenal, with a replacement barrel. Again, it sounds like a neat M1 carbine, one that many collectors would like to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob in Maine
Were those CMP or DCM? Can't remember.
One thing about it, is there will never be any more White Baggers.
Like stated above it has it's own history.
Traveled from DOD/CMP or DCM to this new owner.
History in your hands.
A Value?
Newly manufactured Inland Replicas at or over $1K.
With decent mixer Import stampers fetching near $1K, and put together al sam bob's with repro parts fetching $2K plus, I'd believe a minimum starting point would be $2K .. JMHO
Weren't just the bags pulling $100~ a few years ago?
I'm sure more than one collector is itching for a Documented White Bagger.
Some will nit pick about the barrel, but I'll guarantee thats not the only non matching bagger that was passed on
As Del stated it may take a little time, but when the right collectors see it they'll grab it to fill that niche.
I applaud the fact you haven't swapped the barrel out, to me it makes it that much more valuable as a UNTOUCHED WHITE BAGGER.
Can we see it?? :clap::clap:
Thx,
Charlie-Painter777
PS: A White Bag Link-
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=54065
More links if you type in White Bag in to the search feature.
I would love to show pictures but can't get pictures to send from my 'junk' computer or old 'junk' cell phone. Soon I'm going to have to break down and get newer 'junk'. I will say the carbine was a good investment. The carbine came to me in 2003 from CMP, and was routed through my club. A point to remember about the white bag is the serial number of the carbine is printed on the outside, along with other writings, and all bags were slit so the CMP could verify make and serial numbers. Just in case you run into one. Bob.
I was wrong in my last post. The 'white bag' does not have the serial number printed on it. Only printed is that there is a carbine, mag., oiler, and sling inside. CMP removed the oiler, sling, and mag, then sold them at a latter date. So only the carbine was in my bag.
Just my opinion but not all white bags have the same value. There were a few different versions of the white bag release by CMP in 2003 (see CCNL316). I think the most collectable version was stamped "OSD NORVA" with dates between 1953 and 1954. These were probably off Navy ships that were being mothballed. Many have the type 1 or type 2 barrel bands and show very little use.
Agree Chris.
There are different white sacks. I received a silver sack DCM Garand in 83. The gun came out of Rock Island and the word was that these were a group of M1s put together for foreign sale. Inside was essentially a brand new Garand. Every part except the receiver (SA 3.3) was new. New, very heavy walnut, glass bedded at the bottom as done by SA n the 60s. Came with combo tool new sling and delron white guards on the muzzle and op-rod. Dessicant tube inside the barrel. Proof fired with a brand new 11/65 SA barrel.
I am a big fan of white bags. My 6 digit Inland is a white bag. It has a 1950s charcoal grey (almost black) manganese phosphate finish, Underwood barrel dated 44 (no month) and an ME of "0". It is a mixmaster of course. The guy I got it from actually took it from the bag. When he got it, it had the original "I" cut high wood Inland stock, and he kept it when he sold it to me, and had it in a later stock. He had bought it just for the I cut, and gave me a great buy on it.
With that said, this is how DOD wanted it in the 1950s. It was an "Issue weapon" then, in that condition.
The value of a white bag, to me, means unaltered as it was in the bag with paperwork. Without paperwork or when something is changed, especially as major as a stock, is it still considered a white bag? Certainly the value has to have taken a hit to some degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by imarangemaster
I absolutely agree. The value I place on it is personal and subjective. I know it is as was rebuilt into this configuration in the 1950, albeit with its original stock. It has a new USGI Underwood barrel, though, and is a great shooter. To others, practically speaking, it is just a mix-master.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
When I got my two, I didn't request anything in particular. What I received was an Inland with an SG marked receiver and a spring tube Inland. Needless to say, I was very happy with what they sent me. Both had nearly all correct parts on top of it!