Am I correct that when zeroing the Bren at all ranges, the mean POI should be one inch to the right of POA? Ta, Mike.
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Am I correct that when zeroing the Bren at all ranges, the mean POI should be one inch to the right of POA? Ta, Mike.
Yes......., sort of! At 100 yards, sight set to 200 yards, Several warming shots into the bank.
5 single aimed shots supported. 4 out of 5 shots are to fall within a rectangle of 6" x 6", the MPI will be 1" right and 1.5" high.
Permissable variation allowed. Horizontal. NIL. Vertical +/- 1"
Seems like a long time now since I've heard things spoken that way...refreshing.
Thank you sir, invaluable. The thin red line soldiers on, unbroken. Grateful, Mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
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My thoughts zackly.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Would a 6" by 6" rectangle not be a square! Or did you just drop that in to see if we were taking notice Captain ?
Well spotted. But the EMER calls it a rectangle - so rectangle it is!
Or could it be....An 'Army' Square Rectangle?........:D
RIGHT!!! 'Get Down, Test, & Adjust'!!!!........;)
OZ EMEI's .......25m plain white screen with 25mm square aiming mark, 100m 100mm aiming mark.
poi at 25m 25mm right of poa, permissable variation 12mm.
100m, 25mm right and 38mm high, permissable vertical variation 50mm.
Five rounds single shot - four out of five to be contained in 38mmx38mm square at 25m. or 150mm square at 100m.
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Why would the Ausies have a different measuring system? And in metric for an imperialy ranged gun? I thought at first it was just the metric equivalent to imperial but there no way near similar.
Is it definitely for a Bren or could it be Steyr or similar?
I can't resist a shameless plug. I have perfect reprint Infantry Training Pams available on the Bren and it's all there. Both British Mk1, Canadian Mk.II and L4!! Cheap too. I have to reference these books frequently when zeroing these and other weapons because I'm suffering badly from information overload!! Put one on the book shelf and you might be happy you did someday. When they're gone they're gone. I won't be printing any more.
That's a shameless plug...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
on the 6th of the 6th in 1966 Australia went metric* and so the gov to show they were ahead of the times republished everything with the new fancy metric measurementsQuote:
Originally Posted by Brit plumber
* really took until 1971 before the transformation was complete but it started on that Monday the 6th with all currency changing that day.
Jim,
I always shake my head that folks won't buy them considering they are fit cheap. I supply one with rifles when purchased here and keep them handy for reference at all times. They go into great depth on zeroing and maintenance as well as everything else. Ho hum.
Brian
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"dirt cheap"
If I needed one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
My thought would be that everyone who looks at this Bren forum needs one, or two copies of each. One to look pretty on the bookshelf and the other to get dirty on the bench and range!
That nice young Mr.Laidler, told me he has a box of shameless Plugs under his Bench!......Lol ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
And buzzing with all this knew-found knowledge, this is what I was able to achieve during my zeroing session at 100 yards. Ammo is PPU 174gr factory, weapon (Bren MKIII 1956) was fired prone with sandbags stabilizing bipod. Sight set at 200 yds. No wind. Clear and bright conditions. (Eagle eyes will note, apropos a previous post of mine in which I had an uncommanded full-auto event, that the gas regulator is now happily set at the second from smallest position.)
Very nice...wish I'd been there...
excellent grouping there.
The bren is by far my favorite gun to shoot. how would you rate it?
Adore it. I've trained and operated behind a number of LMGs but none have the solid sweetness of the Bren. I'm still getting to know her with less than 500 rounds on the range, but am astounded at how accurate the weapon is. Not just accurate but also comfortable - it just feels right when you snug in on that big wooden stock and grab a handful of chunky pistol grip. Yes the trigger has a loooong pull on the rounds selector position, but after adjusting my finger technique for a faster and smoother transition through to the break, single round aimed accuracy improved exponentially. My Dad operated a Bren in WW2 and picked up on this, noting that I was firing her the way I fire my Lee Enfields. He should know, having served at Hythe. (He also enjoyed kicking my legs around into the correct prone position.) Recoil is mellow and linear through the shoulder with very little barrel movement, making rapid aimed fire a joy. Automatic fire is a learned skill on any weapon and I'm still adjusting my technique to keep on target with controlled bursts of 3-4 rounds. Love how the gun ejects downwards, and how the innards clunk forward when the sear releases; this is a man's gun with no plastic ergonomics, shiny lights or magic metals. When the cockroaches emerge victorious after the nuclear apocalypse you will find them regrouping beneath a Bren.
I specially enjoyed on here that we'd converted from 8mm to 7.62. We had a few mags of tracer and it seemed to just place the "red dot" on the target perfectly...every time.
Old school red dot sights - love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Yes, except this was before that. It was like a red spot appearing on the target every time, in the same spot. I remember it well...Quote:
Originally Posted by 5 Commando