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Welcome to the forum. Shouldn't the serial be marked across the flats at the rear of the butt? I've never seen one that would be inside the socket. The specialists will be along shortly...
Ya I have no idea I am not well versed in this and this just feels weird and too good to be true
Welcome to milsurps, the rifles serial was often put on the inside part that goes into the socket and the scope serial say like on this rifle 23505 across the butt stocks wrist flats, it has the s but I cannot see anything else like the T on the left receiver is there an inspection marks on the small flats of the rear receiver S 51 under the butt where the wrist finishes. There are heaps of threads on the markings of a real T. Can you get close pics of the left receiver, Left socket, the receiver flats and so on, Rt side etc all close ups this will aid immensely. And of course bore condition is everything with these rifles along with how good the scope is (not cloudy etc)
Anyway good luck the experts will chime in soon and what were they asking price wise I have seen low ball $4999/US up to $8000/AU
Can we at least track the scope to rifle match guys!
There's more than a few on here to examine until they come along. We can put it up for opinion and for sure you'll get answers and reasons...it sure is pretty though. Things that appear too good...
This guy wants 500 shipped for it is the thing he contacted me with a PM on a WTB ad and im sceptical on the rifle and if he will even ship it if i buy it
If it's a serviceable #4 it would bring more than that. If it was a serviceable scope it would bring more than that. You could expect to pay that for a correct scope mount... Me? I'd take it just because, unless he's flogging a stolen rifle...can't for the world imagine why he wants that little either. I'd still be tempted to just take it. Unless it's stolen...
Its a online thing i wouldnt be meeting him local says his wife has surgery bills but its not in broken english or anything.
Maybe...if it's online only it could still be a scam. Can you speak to him by phone? Research his name and his trader name? Look at him on facebook? These things would at least show he exists...others will be along soon to help. Some have had scads of experience in this exact thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by bpondabay
I have asked for his contact information and address along with more closeup pictures
I'd be wary and looks too good to be true. Also could be someone that inherited it and has no idea what it is. Ask for specific pictures and plenty of them. If they pulled the pics off the internet they only have what they have. Asking for specific pics is a way to determine if it's the real deal. Talk to him on the phone. I sell a lot of stuff on line for old friends with no internet skills. My phone number is listed and I take calls. If he wont't take a call then I'd be out at that point. He contacted you which is a red flag for me. Good luck.
I agree with BAR at thread 7 initially. But to ascertain whether it's the ream McCoy rifle, we need pictures of the left and right hand body side. The scope has certainly been, er......, 'looked at' and where is the front trigger guard sling swivel?
Ask for the serial No. of the rifle that way the gurus here may be able to trace it it could be an unknowing seller wanting to offload something they have no monitary idea what its worth, ask how it came to be with them it may be inherited, but do your leg work pay by bank cheque that way it takes a while to clear and you can stop payment, ask him to take it to a reputable gunshop nearby so it can have a report done on it and then send the report to you. Failing all else ring the police if you do get the serial No. and have them check it out if its stolen.
None of us here are suggesting impropriety by the seller but better to be careful, now if the story is true and they need medical bills paid and it turns out to be a real Sniper T in good nik then conscientious thinking would have it that a price more befitting and in line with what it is really worth (within reason) be offered to the seller.
But only after everything else balances out if they baulk at any point then be very wary indeed.
Google ing the image brings up the same photos from an auction that finished in 2007!!!!! Scam to me!!
Just seen that same wording of description as in message too ending contact with seller thank you guys
That was a xxxxxxg astute observation Skippy. Go to the top of the class
For anyone who does think they are on a winner and a bit unsure and is also a Contributing member or advisory etc, then you should be able to check out the link below, its regarding a well known scam artist called Pawel Nowak
I had seen an advert on the UK Guntrader site for a German Scope, the price was too good to be true, one of the pics had been copied from a K98 forum or site, always worth doing your homework......
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=15956
Glad we saved one guy at least...one happy ending.
If it is a scam set him up with the police and gaff them good and proper as he may drop the soap in the shower? It may save another person not so savvy get'em hooked and in jail I reckon thieving pr*ck
If its on armslist or some other face to face firearms trading site other than a real auction site if it is too good to be true unfortunately it is nowadays. But hey, if its local you can at least find out it if it may be true or call their bluff.
On every single one of these I've found, like skiprat did, that if you reverse search the image or especially the description some auction will always pop up where it sold for the real value some time ago. Fortunately the scammers don't even seem to apply themselves enough to learn enough about the material to rewrite the description or they would cause even more trouble. Some money services like paypal wont accept firearms so you're limited to other services where once someone sends the money some other way its gone.
I think the crooks know this and try to target us accordingly.
Unfortunately in terms of catching them, I am sad to say Cinders that the police do not care a whit here in the U.S. I've intentionally followed through on these in a couple of cases and basically delivered the scammer to them bound hand and foot where all they had to do was show up to somewhere in their jurisdiction and they don't do anything or even say they cant do anything.
I certainly don't feel like sending them my actual money so the police can build a case!
So much for the honest citizen trying to do the rightie for the good of all.
Pretty conclusively proven that this was a scammer.
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$500 wouldn't even BEGIN to buy that telescope, and is only a little bit high for a standard No.4 rifle in that condition.
$500 wouldn't go very far at all in paying medical bills today, especially for surgery, and this alone would have set my alarm bells a-ringing.
Maybe you can get the guy in Nigeria who wants to send you all his uncle's money to pay for it.:lol:
Rifle serial number inside the socket.
Telescope serial number on the top of the wrist.
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If the deal appears too good to be true, it most likely is.
The rifle and scope look perfectly legitimate to me. The price is indeed a steal, and steals do turn up from time to time, but use your common sense and caution for if Mr. Seller has access to the internet enough to sell his rifle he has access enough to research its true value. I would google the rifle and scope numbers first and see if he has just pinched the photos off the Net somewhere and is setting up a scam. There was a creep in the UK/Poland a few years back who was doing this on Craigslist: offering amazing deals on rare scopes with pirated photos. The number on the tongue of the butt is the rifle number, or should be; the letter prefix may have been left off.
as skiprat noted last page the pictures were already on the internet here: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7924027
the first thing I do it something seems too good to be true but I still want it, is do a google image search.
to do this you right click on the picture in question, click the copy picture prompt.
then open a google in a new tab, when the cursor is flashing in the box you type into, hit the control (ctrl) key and v this will paste the image you copied earlier into the search box. click enter, it probably won't come up with anything but you should now get to option underneath the search box of doing an image search. click on this option. you should now see a little camera icon at the right hand end of the search box (search by image). click on the camera icon and it will search the image, if the picture is already on the internet it will come up along with others that look similar.
this doesn't always work, in the case of the pictures in this thread you need to go about it the long way. first you save the picture to your computer (I like saving to the desktop so I can find it easily later). then when you click on the camera icon in google image search you will see the option to "upload an image". click that, then click the browse button find the picture you just saved on your computer and upload that. then hit search, this will bring up the same or any similar images. if you find an image the same click on it and you should see where the pictures were originally posted.
there are probably easier ways of doing this but the above is the way that works for me.
I have once seen a legitimate add where the seller used old pictures from when he bought the item... once. I recognised the pictures having watched the original add, so checked to see if it was a scam. in this case his story of when and where he got the item matched the for sale add, his name matched the buyer and the price was well above what he paid (and certainly on the high side).
Thankfully I have yet to come across a scammer that relates their story to where they stole the pictures from, it is only a matter of time though.
Have the guy call you and "face time" you with the scope in hand. It's probably still on someone's rifle in a safe 5,000 miles away. Bet he won't