Back to the Inland for my Home Defense carbine

Well, I had strayed away from using my 50s rebuilt, 6 digit Inland as my home/ranch defense carbine. I was using either an AR or Kel-Tec SU-16 loaded with MK262 MOD1 77 grain ammo. While very good for coyote busting, I have concerns about over penetration, now that there is a house going in close to the property line.

Thus, I have decided to switch back to the trusty old M1 Carbine, loaded with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. Critical defense tops USGI ammo by about 100 fps, and feeds flawlessly through my carbine because of the FMJ shape of the projectile with its FTX polymer plug in the HP cavity.

After all, the Carbine served my dad well on Iwo Jima, and me well as an LEO trunk weapon before it became an "AR-world."

My furthest coyote shot possible on the property is just a tidge over 100 yards. Since my current M1 carbine is dead nuts on at 100, and I have whacked Blacktail deer in the past at 100 yards, VERY successfully with the Carbine, I think it will do well. Besides, the M1 carbine is a lot more fun to shoot!:D

http://www.milsurps.com/images/impor..._zpswiiu-1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tquUyY74O6Y

Over penetration of any 5.56/.223 with regard to structures is a very valid concern with your scope of use, I think the .30 Carbine is likely a much better choice with regards to that.

Just remember....heaven forbid....that if you do ever have to use it to defend yourself you are not going to see that gun again in a very VERY long time.....possibly ever.

For that reason I will not use anything vintage/that I care about....for that task.

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Originally Posted by cherokee

Just remember....heaven forbid....that if you do ever have to use it to defend yourself you are not going to see that gun again in a very VERY long time.....possibly ever.

For that reason I will not use anything vintage/that I care about....for that task.

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True, but in California, (under our draconian laws) it is still replaceable. The ability to replace ARs and AKs had the door slammed closed on 1-1-2017!

Too bad you can't get a Glazer safety slug for carbine. They make .30 cal but apparently not .30 carbine...

I wish you would make your mind up already like the rest of us. :madsmile:

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Originally Posted by WarPig1976

I wish you would make your mind up already like the rest of us. :madsmile:

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My problem is I like retro AR15 carbines almost as much as M1 carbines! This one is 100% Colt, except the stripped Nodak Spud 601 "slick side" lower. The barrel is a NOS Colt 6420, 1/7" twist 16" pencil barrel.

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Originally Posted by imarangemaster

My problem is I like retro AR15 carbines almost as much as M1 carbines!

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Well, if you're going to have a problem that's a good one to have. :thup:

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Originally Posted by WarPig1976

make your mind up

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Having several is just as good I think. I'd have an Carbine around for defense if we didn't have a mag capacity law, and we were allowed to defend ourselves...here we could end up political again...

sounds like you use your HD weapon quite often!! I would move!

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Originally Posted by cali201

you use your HD weapon quite often

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I think he just shoots it regularly...

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Originally Posted by cali201

sounds like you use your HD weapon quite often!! I would move!

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LOL! Actually, that was the only time I have used it to fend off two legged goblins. I have used my HD carbines for 4 legged predators: feral dog packs and coyote.

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Originally Posted by imarangemaster

I have used my HD carbines

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And of course for making holes in paper and tin cans...

I did that a lot (making holes in cans) for the two years (2012 to 2014) I had the Homeland Security dam protection contract, especially in the summer. It was 430 PM to 430 AM. Driving around in the wilderness gave me lots of opportunity to plink. I was actually very practiced at snap shooting with the Carbine and the AR back then.

A guy could almost set up a range of sorts out in that area you showed us. Reactive targets could be placed in safe backstop areas and you could have practice at dismount and engagement...you sure had room there...

IMR,
If your experiencing a break in and fear for you and/or your families safety......... Shoot Away! But first cover your *** and know your state laws...... some say hollow points are illegal for carry, but ok for home defense, many many variations on the law books in the states, I believe New York's AG claims you have no right to have a taser or stun gun for home defense. A Jurys perception should be of great concern if you ever have to use your gun in self-defense and find yourself facing charges. If your gun is loaded with Brand X's Ammo named " Waste Your Intruder" is in a graphically decorated box of spilled blood and guts..... wouldn't weigh well in that perception department. In fact there are ammo companies that have changed their packaging for this very reason. There have been examples of prosecutors focusing on the hardware used by defendants. They try to overcome the self-defense argument by painting a picture of the armed citizen as blood-thirsty. In one particular case the defendant used a certain brand of hollow-point ammo that came in a box featuring a picture of a hawk or eagle talon. It appears that the tactic was successful and contributed to the conviction of an armed citizen who argued that he fired to save his life.

If you find yourself having to shoot, expect to be taken into custody (along with any and all arms you have). News and papers will be reporting the shooting and the public will expect to see someone and these weapons in custody. Could be cleared up in short order, but can also become a long drawn out expensive investigation until all facts are argued. Say they find you innocent and you get released, Do you think your arms will be returned in the same condition as when they were confiscated? Very doubtful.

I'll do whatever is necessary to protect my family, my own safety and my property.
For me, because of how today's laws can be interpreted I make a point in NEVER revealing I have a game plan, especially in writing.

Lastly never underestimate the SH*T YOUR PANTS factor a intruder will experience just from hearing the report of a shotgun on a dark night!

Don't overlook that Victory revolver when in need.

Cheers,
Charlie-painter777

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

A guy could almost set up a range of sorts out in that area you showed us. Reactive targets could be placed in safe backstop areas and you could have practice at dismount and engagement...you sure had room there...

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There was a quarry area on one of my routes. I actually did dismount and engage drills there with handgun and rifle flavor of the week.

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Originally Posted by imarangemaster

a quarry area

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I'd sure go through a lot of ammo through a work week I'd think. But drills would be spot on...

My brother was involved in a CC shooting trying to stop an armed robbery with victims badly injured by pukes. His number one concern was what was behind the bad guys and he had to constantly move to make sure a miss wouldn't pick off a bystander. The newspaper story had him standing in the middle of the street shooting out the back window as the pukes drove away. None of it was correct, all of it was BS and the bogus news almost got him tossed in jail. You don't get a chance to tell the public what REALLY happened in the paper, they just move on with more stupid news. My advice is don't get involved unless it is to save your life or your family, then who cares? What happens happens. Just be aware that every shot you fire has your name on it. Carrying on about what you might or might not do has no bearing on reality. Reality sucks and it sometimes takes honest people to places they don't belong.

After 7 years military and 20+ years as a full time LEO (including many years as firearms and tactics instructor, I truly understand it use of deadly force is solely to protect your life or someone else's. Terminate a immediate LETHAL threat. In all other cases be a good witness.

IRM,
On a brighter note,
That Inland sure looks nice!

Cheers
Charlie-Painter777

It is absolutely my favorite long arm to shoot...closely followed by my Uberti 1860 Henry replica in .45 Colt that I use for Cowboy Action Shooting. The same rifle that Gus McCrae and Woodrow Call use in Lonesome Dove. I load a 200 grain bullet in a .45 Schofield case that gives the same 1150 fps. the 200 grain .44 Henry Flat rimfire does.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...5kzpsw3c-1.jpg

If like me, some of you haven't got to shoot one of your carbines for a while - go back to page 1 of this thread and open the Hornady video. For me, the following video was one of Hickok45's You-Tube videos from 2010 on shooting his Std.Pro Carbine. Made me feel like I was up in the hills with my brother emptying some carbine brass! He gave a reasonable account of the history of the carbine, too. He also has a new video on an Inland posted in March 2017. I watched the intro, but haven't gone back to see the rest of it yet. Almost as much fun as being there and doing the shooting. :super: I could post a link, but you should be able to find it easily. - Bob

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Originally Posted by USGI

If like me, some of you haven't got to shoot one of your carbines for a while - Bob

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Bob, it's not like you don't have ammo. :thup:

Yes, and one of the cans of .30 Carbine has an "unusual" story to go with it! :wave: - Bob

As for the 30 M1 carbine and the 1860 Henry, there is an amazing parallel. While not as powerful as the regular .58 caliber muskets, the 1860 Henry found favor with scouts, raiders (wilder's Lightening brigade -Spencers and Henry- and 1st DC Cavalry), skirmishers, and body guard units in the Civil War. It was prized for the high rate of fire it offered in a world of front stuffers. It was arguably the first assault rifle, albeit lever action instead of semi-automatic.

Then we have the M1 carbine. It was also less powerful than the standard 1903 Springfield or M1 Garand, it was also valued by scouts, raiders (Merrill's Marauders) , and body guards and other rear echelon troops. It was also valued for its high rate of fire power. It could be considered America's first self loading assault rifle, especially in the M2 variety.

Both were lacking at long range, but both earned great reputations in close skirmishes. Oh, by the way, both held 15 rounds!!!!