Teach your children well and they will know what to do if burglars break in.
Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars | Fox News
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Teach your children well and they will know what to do if burglars break in.
Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars | Fox News
Remember guys shoot them first, then put one through the roof or into the floor when questioned by the authorities respond "Yes Sir, I warned them of my intent then gave them a warning shot to alert them they still advanced on me I feared for my life and safety so I defended myself and property." Leave it simple as that
Only thing about this is you cannot have any survivors to say he (they) did not give us a warning shot, I reckon anyone breaking into your house is not viable for the planets future, is an air thief, has given up all their human rites and needs to be dealt with with as much viciousness as can possibly be brought to bear as they are going to do it to you & your loved ones. We are having a torrid time here in one of our cities not 26 K's from where we live it is known as the Meth capitol of the whole of Australia.
Hence home invasions and robberies as well as violence are spiking in that place as well as the outlying country towns sadly we are not allowed to have a 1911 45 ACP in our bed draws as our law is definitely on the side of the criminal with ~ they had a bad childhood, his father was a drunk & beat them, he was abandoned, he has a drug habit and so on all the while the victims suffer. I know what it feels like as we were broken into some years ago and they stole my firearms trashed the house it is not a nice feeling I can tell you.
It was only my wife who stopped me selling the house and moving every now and then I feel sick about it knowing some low life rifled through all our house trying to find the bolts (they did not) as in those days we did not have to have a gun safe we now have fort knox and it takes allot for my wife to get me out and about for anytime away from our place, I only hope the buggers ended up in jail or worse.
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
Don't know about Australia, but warning shots are very illegal here.
Excellent that means you can nail them straight off the bat.....!
Over here they come in gangs of four or more. People are often tortured before they are killed. No warning shots. Keep on shooting till they are out of the fight or running away.
Really? ;) That’s not what the media tells us here. They often hold up Australian gun control as a shining example of how well confiscation works.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
My experience of being woken up in the middle of the night convinced me a revolver is probably the best nightstand gun. It’s not easy to go from being fast asleep to shooting in 2 or 3 seconds. Your mind doesn’t have time to focus on fine details, like taking a safety off. The 1911 is a great pistol. I just prefer a S&W .357 mag revolver in this situation. It’s simple. You just pull the trigger. There’s no fumbling for a safety or dropping the mag by mistake. No tap and rack needed if you limpwrist it because you are not fully awake. And the old 357 mag is still an excellent one shot stopper.
Yep. The only situations where warnings shots might possibly be legal here are the same situations where the use of deadly force would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
If they are in your home, it’s a no-brainer. You have the right to use deadly force to protect your castle.
It can get a bit sticky if they get out of your home and you shoot them while they are running away. I don’t know about Oklahoma, but it has been justified here in Texas.
Like perhaps a rusty old Model 19 two-and-a-half inch...round butt...or model 13 three inch...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
"An Englishman's home is his castle"
EXCEPT when you have burglars break in, who are masked and armed and mean you lots of harm, and you put up no resistance.
In sentencing the Judge will tell you "In future, you MUST make them a cuppa of tea and make them feel welcome before they knock 10 bells of **** out of you.
All joking aside from what is reality...........whatever action you take to protect your property or family from attack, is to ONLY use REASONABLE FORCE!! now pick the bones out of that one, well thats in the UK anyway!!:surrender:
I'm with Vincent. S&W 360 M&P with five Winchester 110 grain .357 Mag HP's. It has a tritium dot front sight and will place the shots a bit low with the lighter bullet but dead nuts on the money. If you miss, the muzzle blast will clear the room and blind everyone anyhow!
The .357 revolver is fine if you can hit first time and every time after that. Six shots and a slow reload turns into a big problem if you cannot. Especially when stressed.
I prefer a fairly modern high capacity 9mmP. Star 30M for me as a compromise as I am not into the modern plastic stuff.
Security in layers also helps. The idea is that you are awake before they are in your room next to your bed.
Doesn't matter if it's an M109 in 155MM, you still have to hit the target. We go through this every time. You have to hit the target regardless of what it is, confidence in what you're using and practice to ensure ability is premiere.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSW2
Yes, part of what I was trying to say in my English Second Language way. Hitting the target under stress is not that easy. With multiple attackers six shots do not seem that many. Having 15 at my disposal feels much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Unless your name is Dirty Harry, and everything thereafter is a myth, there is no way hose A, you will hit four masked men coming at you, when your arse is going Half Crown Sixpence, with that cannon. By the time the barrel comes back down from 90 degrees it would be all over. We throw hot tea over them here in England with our stiff upper lip....what:lol:
This is my worst fear, bar none.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSW2
Is that before or after you waste three the bad guys? Oops, just noticed you're in Austin. Might be illegal there, but elsewhere in TX it really wouldn't matter during implementation of the Castle Law...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesm44
Russ
There was a shooting incident here in the U.K., that must be over 20 years ago now, where a farmer shot at some intruders who had broken into his remote farmhouse and he opened fire with his shot gun. It was big news in the media at the time but I don't remember all the ins and outs of the case. If I remember correctly at least 1 intruder died and another was seriously wounded and obviously the matter ended up in court and if I remember correctly the farmer claimed that it was self defence. If I recall correctly, the court decided that because the intruder had been shot in the back, the farmer couldn't use the argument of self defence and I believe that he was done for murder. It was all very controversial at the time and the farmer may have appealed or tried to appeal the verdict and sentence. I don't remember if he was successful.
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Originally Posted by Mikesm44
I "believe" that varies from state to state, so it might be wise to look into the law in your state.
I'm in law enforcement. Don't do anything to the scene after the incident. I.e.: move them, shoot into the floor or ceiling, etc. if we figure it out your going to really complicate an otherwise straightforward investigation. Just tell the truth. If your defending yourself (which is obvious since you are in your own home) you should be fine. Many states, Kansas included, have laws that prohibit law enforcement from arresting someone who was defending themselves. There are always anomolys, but if you stick to the truth when you did nothing wrong your fine.
Colt 45 next to the bed with two magazines. If that runs out, a AR under the bed with two 30 round magazines. Hopefully, never have to use either or one of the other four guns stashed around the house but I have been wakened and pulled it three times in 28 years due to unexplained noises. I figure anyone in the house is going to recognize that slide and vacate the premises pretty quick.
Flying10UK,
His name was Tony Martin here's the story: Norfolk farmer Tony Martin who shot burglar dead will face no new gun charges - Telegraph
Half Crown, Sixpence...lmao. Showing your age there Gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
Funnily enough Simon, I was on an RMP and latterly a Police Explosives Search Team when I was asked to design a tie in keeping with what we did, but not to disclose any word or direct meaning to explosives or literally what we did.
My result......................:thup::thup:
Thanks for finding the info about the farmer Gil. I remember that the whole incident caused a big "stink" and much debate at the time about what you can and can't do in your own home to defend yourself and your family.
He was a very lucky man!!
It's very interesting to see the comments of our American friends on this subject. in Europe we are not allowed to defend ourselves properly; that's for sure. However I'm not convinced the Pistol under the pillow or the rifle under the bed is such a great idea.
The majority of burglaries happen when your out of the house. So if there are arm's in easy reach; surely you are just supplying the criminals?
I know they can rob anything if they have enough time; but keeping guns locked in a safe not only slows down the criminals access; but it can also stop accidental shootings when you wake your missus when returning from the loo at 3 am in the morning!
Now this is going to get political, and I don't wish it to get out of hand, and I agree with the NRA and their values in the States, and I know a bucketload of Law Enforcement and other units operating in the States and around the world today, but as its late here its worth on this BREXIT day talking about these very same values we all treasure wherever you are.
Yes Europe has a variance to the USA, but in that, and if you interrogate the logic, we are polls apart.
The U.S. amendments are there for good reason, it was the English that caused those very amendments to be written in defence of their lives and property. But, this was written in the days of single shot muskets, and not automatic weapons as I see it.
What I can't get my head around is..............if "they" in the U.S. Congress believe they are all singing off the same songsheet, as individual States, why do some States let you buy what you want without restriction, which is predominantly in the southern States, others don't, some have a variance of ID to get a weapon, and others wear their firearms openly, like Texas.
Now that, as a comparison to the UK, would mean every County would have a different firearms law.
As an ex Police Officer, that in itself is self destructive, and I am sure, the Westminster attack would have been so different, had the guy had a firearm or access to any automatic weapon!!!. Attacks luckily on home owners in the UK are fairly rare. When they do happen and firearms are used, they are in the main used in the right context.............self defence and reasonable force.
I know we are talking a completely different landscape with thousands, not hundreds of miles apart as States, compared to our Counties of England, and in addition, we had no Indians or British soldiers or French soldiers to contend with, which helped the individual arming process along.....but surely there has to be one regulation on the issue of "deadly" automatic weapons today, and a modicum of common sense applied to this whole subject right across the western logistical sphere??
Then, and only then, can "we" Teach are children well, which is what this thread is about.
"Incoming......................":surrender:
England and the US are two totally different countries today - with totally different traditions and attitudes. This sounds suspiciously like the "guns cause crime" bit I hear from liberals. If that were true, how do you explain Switzerland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
Gil,
I didn't take the time to check the actual sizes but perhaps a better comparison instead of counties would by your individual "kingdoms". England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland. We have counties, or parishes in the south which are probably similar to yours Probably a lot of our states are bigger than the UK alone. If I want to go from eastern PA to western PA it would probably take me about 8 hours on an expressway, maybe more, never did it. States tend to get bigger the further west you go, and smaller towards the northeast. Each state has it's own laws about everything. Traffic laws are even different although they are generally similar enough to not have to worry too much in going from one state to another. You can talk on a cell phone in some, not in others. You can turn right on red, maybe in all now but when that first started it was hit or miss. Speed limit maximums are different. So gun laws shouldn't be a surprise to be different. So long as they fit into the greater framework of the 2nd Amendment, which some don't, there shouldn't be an issue. And each state also has it's own Constitution. PA has it's own Amendment regarding firearm ownership and I expect the other states for the most part do as well.
The Amendment itself remains relevant. I know it's hard to believe that people still fear an oppressive government in this day of enlightenment but it is very real here. We take it very seriously. So the one shot musket then translates to an AR now. Although we are restricted against full auto for the most part.
What is called an assault rifle here is not a true assault rifle. We are not allowed to own them unless we go through an even more extensive background check and pay a tax fee for each firearm and there are no new ones. Only full auto weapons are those that were here on a specific date, 20-30 years or so ago. So if someone finds an unregistered MP40, it has to be destroyed, even though gramps brought it back legally. A semi-auto, which we can own, are not true assault rifles but try telling our media that.
I do know someone who keeps a metal fire poker under his bed in order to try to defend himself should he get burgled during the night. I'm not sure that even doing this is a good idea and I did suggest that perhaps it may be better to swap it for a large metal bodied torch. The reason I said this is because a fire poker could do a fair amount of damage to either a burglar or to himself if the burglar was to snatch it from him and use it against him. Also it could possibly be argued that having a fire poker under the bed indicated an element of premeditation to do harm to any intruder but the simple excuse of a power cut could be used for having a torch under ones bed.
Here in Canada keeping a loaded handgun beside the bed is against the law. Still they(hidden handguns)exist, you would have to be discovered to be taken to task. If you have one around long enough things happen. Back in the early '80's I had a model 19 S&W and then later a German produced Browning Hi Power. Once when I came home late and my then young wife was in bed she heard me at the door and grabbed the Browning...now this is where problems start because she would be less than competent under duress. All ended well. Another time I woke with a start for unknown reasons and when sense came realized I was already mobile with a loaded Hi Power. (Came from living at the edge) I decided loaded firearms might not be a good idea for me. Yes, there was a gunfight one night close to my place, even in quiet Victoria...easily recognizable in the middle of the night, I was still able to remain un-involved. Here in Canada, there would be no talking your way out of any gunfight situation I fear...
Merle,
In answer to your point, guns in responsible, trained hands, don't cause crime, because the owners know the true value of tha damage they can cause. It is the other side of the coin, illegally held weapons that cause the dramas!
Due to such a varied view on firearms laws across the world, let alone all the individual States in the U.S, it will always be "that" hot potato no one individual or Government wants to address.
Currently, the European Parliament is putting more effort into stopping the purchase or resale of Deactivated guns let alone firing ones!!:banghead:
I love discussing old milsurps ... ;)
Regards,
Doug
What about a dog, like Rhodesian ridgeback? Or are they banned in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
I guessing Trunk Monkeys would be verboten there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AidAXgq9dWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5T03gNrWOk
I forgot about Truck Monkey,,,Hilarious!!!!
we cant shoot intruders in this crap country, as we cant have an legal pistols, the criminals have the rights !!