Trying to identify a scope?

Morning all,

My Father in Law dug out an old scope he used in conjunction with a micro meter set up back in the late 1960's for target shooting, any ideas as to its origin?

He is from a post war austerity generation that adapted and adopted whatever rifles and kit could be found for target work from the mid 1950's onward, generally Milsurp in origin, his old rough shooting jacket was a 1942 dated Denison smock for instance ... before I sold it for him for £££! a few years back.

it appears to be 4x15 or 20 and focused on infinity with a reasonably fine cross hair reticle, approx 21cm (8") in length with a 1" diameter tube.

Was this scope slaved and bore sighted to launcher/medium calibre gun of some kind, or was it civilian in origin?

Any ideas team Milsurps??:help:

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It looks like a sight for perhaps tank or arty...direct line of sight type? The regular sights have a retical pattern with lead lines.

I'd tend to go along with BAR. There's no FoV worth speaking of and the lack of external adjustments means that it has to be fitted into an adjustable cradle. So as a co-ax sight alongside another larger calibre gun. A bit like the No42/53 although that was for the coaxial BESA

Its a good brand- Hensolt. But then again its misspelled, should read Hensoldt.

Might have even been mounted on a piece of surveying or targeting equipment.
Chris

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Originally Posted by mike1967

Its a good brand- Hensolt. But then again its misspelled, should read Hensoldt.

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Actually it says Hiensolt, so I'm wrong.

You could actually clarify things by telling the flock exactly what it does say on the ocular bell-end

Evening all, thanks for the feedback, unfortunately the wording on the piece is poorly stamped and you can actually see more in the macro picture displayed than looking at it in person.

I wonder if this is actually a component of civilian surveying apparatus of some sort...

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Originally Posted by mrclark303

civilian surveying apparatus

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Maybe, but I thought they had a focus arrangement? Anyway, it looks completely different from the ones I can find. early surveying scope - Google Search

It's unusual we can outright identify something here, but after speaking to my Father in Law last night to get some background, he seems to recall this scope was originally bought from Parker Hale as a second hand Military scope in the late 1940's.

It seems PH sold quite a few various assorted ex military scopes to the civilian market back then, along with an assortment of micro meter adjustable mounts.

He bought it from a mate in the mid 1960's.

That's all very well, but we're asking to see the words/letters clearly! Maybe a rub with a piece of wire wool perhaps. Because that's the only way you're/we are going to further this for you. And you can bet your bottom dollar that someone on the forum WILL, albeit eventually!

Right, my Father in Law doesn't want me to do anything to it ... including cleaning ... well it's his, so fair enough, but these are the legible markings..

DURALS***
HEINSOLT
K2 4X

Its got a very solid wartime (1940's type) feel to it, the obvious light markings and general finish also seem to heavily suggest austere production.

It looks like OURALSC(or Oxx) to me given the further clarity you have given. The K2 is clearly the type and 4X is the magnification (OR an infamous Australian beer). No doubt and hopefully by now, someone here will be trawling the internet............

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It seems PH sold quite a few various assorted ex military scopes to the civilian market back then, along with an assortment of micro meter adjustable mounts.

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That would be very interesting, if they made mounts to employ this type of ex-arty or tank sight as a rifle scope. Hiensolt doesn't come up at all for me. I can't find this one.

Cheers guys, pics of the unusual adjustable (standard dove tail fitting) cradle mount when I see my F-I-L next Jim, he has some great shooting related gear ferreted away ... Today in retirement he still has a wonderful (jaw dropping in fact) collection of Kentucky rifles, P53 and P56's and Percussion Colts and Remington .. Years ago when he was an RFD, he had a great collection of Enfield's, SMG's (various Stens, MP40 etc), classic Lugers, C96's etc, that used to be given a regular workout at our local range ... Happy long gone days ...

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It looks like OURALSC(or Oxx) to me given the further clarity you have given. The K2 is clearly the type and 4X is the magnification (OR an infamous Australianicon beer). No doubt and hopefully by now, someone here will be trawling the internet............

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Cheers Peter, you might be right, its very lightly struck, unusually my dusty old reference books and the tinterweb have come up completely blank on this!

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Originally Posted by mike1967

Actually it says Hiensolt, so I'm wrong.

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Well, Hensoldt's "Duralyt" and similar monikers referred to the scope tube being made of "duraluminum" or whatever its German equivalent name would be IIRC, and this tube is plainly steel.

That and the mis-spelling of the name spells fake to me. Perhaps Japanese, or perhaps European.

I see they stuck on a "K2" a la Weaver for good measure; appeal to the American market you see...

Verry kurevah!

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Originally Posted by Surpmil

Well, Hensoldt's "Duralyt" and similar monikers referred to the scope tube being made of "duraluminum" or whatever its Germanicon equivalent name would be IIRC, and this tube is plainly steel.

That and the mis-spelling of the name spells fake to me. Perhaps Japaneseicon, or perhaps European.

I see they stuck on a "K2" a la Weaver for good measure; appeal to the American market you see...

Verry kurevah!

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Well that's taken us off in an unexpected direction, the mystery deepens...

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Well that's taken us off in an unexpected direction, the mystery deepens...

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Not much mystery IMO except that it's an uncommon little unit. I would bet it's a Japanese effort from the late 50s or early 60s.

Presumably it came with adjustable mounts originally, since there are no internal adjustments.