I heard the other day that most of the C1's were destroyed:( Were any parts stripped and kept?
Navy Gunner
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I heard the other day that most of the C1's were destroyed:( Were any parts stripped and kept?
Navy Gunner
Other than examples kept for museums and the like, I understand everything went to the smelter.
Not just the FN C1s went in to the soup. The SMG C1s, the FN C2s, and the 106 recoiless rifles also made the trip.
There got to be spare parts still left out there, cleaning kts and the like. Too bad this stuff can't be declared "surplus" and disposed of by crown assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector
Navy Gunner
I also find it ironic that in today's "tactical" world, we are re-inventing the wheel with modern semi automatic, full size 7.62 rifles, ie. Bushmaster AR10s, Knights SR25, etc.
I still say the best battle rifle ever produced has been there right in front of us. FNC1A1. Could we have had a better scoped version, a la, M14/M1A, I think so. That conversion for better optics on the FN would have been a minor issue, I believe. The C1 scope and cover mount thing that was produced, from what little playing I have done with mine, was somewhat of a disappointment. Put a strong picurweeny rail on top, and voila, a lot more could have been done.
Yes, an Edmonton smelter had the "honor" of seeing the last of our C1s.
My eyes are tearing up now, I have to sign off:crying:
My Patrol tried for years to convince 4 CRPG AB Det. that we had a need for the C1's, vice the No4's. They disagreed.:nono:
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Originally Posted by Navy Gunner
Things like cleaning kits can (and are) sold off as surplus. But any parts for small arms are to be rendered useless/mutilated at the local level, while things like barrels, receivers, etc are to make the trip to the smelter. This is according to the supply manual, I believe its CFP 181. Not sure what the manual says these days, but back in 99 when we were looking it over, it said something about preventing insurgents from accessing the parts. It also had a note that Brens and Stens were to be held for 30 days to see if a buyer could be found. That sentence disappeared by 2002, when I guess someone pointed it out.
Even parts for firearms that are still legal to shoot in this country have the parts destroyed...things like the .303s, the Cno7s, and the Inglis hipowers. I would say we are a long way off yet before the government ever rethinks this position.
Hi Guy's
Yes they did save C1A1 C2A1 C1 SMG in CF Museums.
Cheers
What would a CF combo tool be worth?
About $10. The real trick is to find someone who wants one. With so few C1s on the market, there is likely many more tools than guns out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oatmeal Savage
Gerry: Glad to hear some were saved. But in my perfect world the surplus rifles would have been sold to civilians.Quote:
Hi Guy's
Yes they did save C1A1 C2A1 C1 SMG in CF Museums.
Cheers
Hey Gerry, you guys didn't end up with a checklist for the C5A1, did you? The checklist (L-71-126-000/LC-001) is the last thing I need to complete my C5 kit (and to make sure I am not missing anything).
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Originally Posted by stencollector
I would tend to disagree. I have seen them go for 15-25 USD and sometimes higher. Your best bet is te USA. Lot of FN guys there making up dummy FN's; taking Brit and even metric ones and adding the necessary CDN parts on to them to make them look like a C1A1.
LI
True, but if you try and sell it through ebay, just the letters FN will get it yanked. A friend was getting $100 each for the C1A1 rear sights, and around $50 for the Cdn topcovers, until the ebay rules kicked in and ruined the market for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Light Infantry
I never mentioned Ebay at all. There are other and easier ways to sell in the USA, and you prices are a bit dated. Rear sights will easily fetch $125 and more and top covers are gone within minutes at $65 a pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector
LI
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Originally Posted by Light Infantry
So according to what you are saying there are parts out there. From what source I wonder?
Navy Gunner
you have to look around for them .like light infantry said those prices are really out dated I get $75.00 per top cover and rear sights complete you can get $125-135.00 USD and ebay is a non issue .when you see parts for FN grab them .
I guess I am out of touch with the US market prices, especially since I don't know where the stuff gets listed for sale.
Here is a source for the stuff here in Canada. http://www.maritimemedals.com/cgi-bin/online/store.php
They have the C1 and C2 sights for $50 each. They had the top covers for $15, but must have sold out. Lots of other C1 and C2 parts too, along with some SAL/CAL Enfield bits.
In Finland the surplus arms, both issue and capture were offered to collectors FIRST, before being sold off to the international suprlus arms market. The list was staggering, and I was able to place a number of items in Canadian museums at prices that were less than scrap metal value. Several items were MINT, and I suspect held in war reserve and then sold. If only other countries had that attitude. France, on the other hand, just recently destroyed a large number of Canadian No.4 Mk.1(T) rifles AND scopes. It was not possible to even get the numbers. Even the scope tubes were chopped and only a few lenses were salvaged. Even the lens salvage almost became a "breech of national security". I've been trying, for years, to get a manual for a Peteaux 25 mm AT cannon out of France (1937 vintage) and it is still "Classified". We live in interesting times....
GWIOEJB
This is beginning to sound like things here in the states, first our taxes builds the guns and then our taxes destroys them, Perhaps we shouldn't be paying so much taxes, say only the part that builds the rifles, then they would have to sell the old ones off to pay for the political percs.-SDH
As 36 Hamon said, you have to look around. If you are looking for auction type sites, go to gunbroker. Or you could buy from me.:D I have a number of parts, i might be able to help you out. Pm me a list and I will have a look at what I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navy Gunner
LI
Hi Rob
I have a C5 but no check list came with what do you need I have some bits and pieces.
Cheers
Hi Guy's
This is a test on posting and it works
Item is No7 Long Branch .22 Rob knows it
Cheers
hi guy'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Navy Gunner
sometimes collectors source has c1 parts and kit for sale on thier website. the last time i looked they had the cleaning kits. i wonder what a simfire unit for a c1 would go for?
cheers!!
m151a2
I just picked up one of the cdn (H&K) subcaliber kits for the C1 at the regina gunshow last weekend. Cost was reasonable at $375. Also got 3 C2 mags with a bra for $80, which I also thought was very reasonable. I also got about 2 pounds of C1 parts for about $110, which included just about enough parts to make a dozen of the rear sights. Extremely reasonable.
For what its worth, could someone fill me in on this rifle? I don't know much about them but, assume they must be full auto if they are being sent to the grinder-SDH
Any Cdn forces gun, be it a cooey 22, a Cno7 .22 enfield, a 303 enfield, an Inglis hipower, or a 50 cal machine gun, cannot be sold to the public in Canada. A few are offerred to military museums, and the rest go to the smelter. It's been like this since the late 60s (?).
The FNC1 was semi auto, although there was a navy version which was select fire. Since they had all the scary features like pistol grip, detachable mag, bayonet lug, and flashider, they were restricted in the mid 80s, and later prohibited in the mid 90s. Grandfathered owners (must have continuously owned one since they were prohibited) may continue to buy and sell grandfathered guns (must have been registered by the time of prohibition) amongst each other, but due to changing regulations, can no longer transport them to and from a range, which was the only place they could go to be shot.
Sound confusing? Just wait until you guys south of the border re-elect a Clinton to the whitehouse and you'll be able to know of our dilemnas firsthand.