Great picture but I'm not familiar with the unit on her left shoulder. And I think her pal is telling the guy who just asked for a date that he comes along no matter what you think.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...0handler-1.jpg
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Great picture but I'm not familiar with the unit on her left shoulder. And I think her pal is telling the guy who just asked for a date that he comes along no matter what you think.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...0handler-1.jpg
Sarge,
She belongs to the 1st Military Working Dog Regiment, Royal Army Veteran Corps
Did they bring the dogs back or bin them in-theatre like Gulf 1 Gil?
I did get confronted by a dog like that with no lead on, all mouth and teeth, some years ago and it was on a public footpath. It wasn't funny.
That's not where we are here, this is military use. Stay with us here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
Thanks, found the official site: https://www.army.mod.uk/rolefinder/role/43/dog-handlerQuote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
This line isn't really "military use", either Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge1998
Veteran Corps?
Daan,
My apologies Royal Army Veterinary Corps, old fingers and brain not matched :lol:
Peter,
I could write a book about dogs perse! having written one on the brave Parachuting dogs of the 13th Battalion during the war, which is a true story, several of which receiving the PDSA Dicken Medal, or animal Victoria Cross.
Dogs left behind in an Arab country.............a rumour started by a newspaper man in the U.S. during Op Telic, and it spread like wildfire.
These dogs are clearly more than just equipment – they are companions, and many soldiers rely on them when they come home. The expence of training alone, negates ever leaving a dog behind.
I have worked with dogs for many years in the Police and Military, and can only say, they are the most underrated piece of kit available to man.
So in short, believe it not..............it is a poor piece of journalism! They will ALWAYS be MAN'S BEST FRIEND who often lay down their lives for us!
With a nose that is 700 times better than ours, a very good set of eyes, superlative hearing they would be a great asset to any front line troops and display utter loyalty to their handlers for just a pat and friendly word.
I agree with Gil having seen allot of what the deefers do via electronic media I know just how powerful they can be having owned a 40 kilo Doberman he once attacked a blue healer only because the little bugger got out of a choker chain the owner threatened to kill my dog to which I replied if you do not f off I will let him go and he will finish the job.
Nope the deefers do not complain at all and go without question besides on a cold night you have your own heated pillow.
We, as humans know nothing about dogs. Their true capabilities are only now being learnt.
They find Cash/drugs/explosives/Cadivar body parts and even detect cancer. All things learnt in the last 20 years.
I remember once as a Police Diving Supervisor, we were searching a very large lake for a drowned person and it was a long arduos search. We came into the bank to replace divers and get more cylinders, when a dog handler who I knew wanted to have a break and boat ride with his dog. His dog sat on the front, and as we reached the search pattern buoys, the dog started barking and indicating for no reason.
It was so intense and he was so adamant something was there, that we put a diver down and recovered the body. What we learnt from that incident was, that the bodies bubbles were continually being released to the surface, unseen by human eyes but smelt by the dog............absolutely amazing to watch.
Later in service I invented a microwave camera system for the Home Office that dogs could wear after the Hungerford Massacre in 1987. The service needed kit to be able to be the eyes and ears of a dog once he went into a stronghold, and respond to what they were telling us as humans, and beam those images and sound out for others to monitor a search remotely.
I called it W.O.L.V.E.S (Wireless Operational Link & Video Exploration System, in honour of the dogs. It is now used right across the spectrum of dog use, with much smaller technology applied to it, and made a significant mark in the variety certain species of dogs can find.
I have shed many a tear over them, and proud to be able to say that. Its heartwarming to see dogs used for the blind and hard at hearing etc..........what versatile animals they are, and we are only now, scratching the surface as to their true capabilities.
I got to know a RAVC WO* on Gulf 1 who oversaw the putting down of several dogs there. He was a bit like me I'm embarrassed to say, that they were clever and all that but just another tool to do another job. A bit like a Police dog. My wife and I used to run with several packs of beagles at Shrivenham and Radley and also had a couple as well as walking the pups. Some lovely pack dogs.... Heroin, Harvester, Honey as well as Dainty, Dutchess, Dido, Daring and at my suggestion...... Comet, cromwell, Centurion, Centaur...... I digress. But never really got too attached to them, even the ones that came to live here as pups or when they were recuperating after being mauled. None ever lived indoors even in the coldest weather. They kept warm ins straw filled kennel and loved looooooong walks and bike runs! I knew a load of dog handlers in the cops of course. One lives opposite, about 100 yards away and he has an alsation and a drug spaniel. But they are just working tools to him. I rebuilt an old Litton IIW and gave it to him, Best bit of kit he ever had!
* The RAVC WO was Australian and I got to know him just because of our Oz connection. He came to the UK by arrangement with a firm offer of a job the the RAVC. The gollies are truly frightened of dogs.........
All the very best and have a good weekend
And you with no rifle! :yikes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
Some years ago at an air show, H.M. Revenue and Customs put on an exhibition for the public to show their work etc. One of the items on display was a car's petrol tank that had had drugs concealed within it by smugglers, but it had been detected. So I asked one of the people from H.M. Revenue and Customs how they had managed to discover it, when it was so well hidden inside a car's petrol tank. The reply that I got was that the drugs dogs sniffed it out which surprised me considering the smell of the petrol fumes that must have been present.
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A deactivated rifle wouldn't have helped my predicament much. I don't know what I would have done if the dog's owner had't appeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merle
Fix bayonet or use it for a club! :madsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
IDEA: Perhaps we should train a dog to sniff out fake 4T's and other copied WW2 rifles??:lol:
That is a great picture. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge1998
Thanks!
A chap once told me who use to be in the British army during the 1970s that at some British bases, I think outside of the U.K. if there was a real threat?, sometimes the base had an inner and outer perimeter fence with no-mans land between the two fences which was patrolled by loose dogs. He went onto say that when the dogs were put "on duty" in between the two fences they were put in unfed so that they were hungry and more aggressive while on patrol. When the time came to take the dogs off duty they threw the dogs some food over the fence before attempting to access the dogs because it wasn't really safe for the handlers before the dogs had eaten.
I have no way of knowing if any of this is actually true because my only experience of dogs is as family pets. Perhaps others are able to say if something along the lines of the above may have occurred years ago although it probably wouldn't be considered acceptable these days on animal welfare grounds.
Now there ya go Gil what a great idea that would be the best thing, why you could line the T's up in a rack and let the deefer sniff out the faker sort of like a crim line up.:clap::clap::rofl::clap::clap:
During escape and evasion exercises and training (always a good part of a bigger exercise) we were taught that it's always fair game to fight back if it's one single dog because they only have a set of teeth and you have a set of teeth too, to rip its xxxxx xxx - PLUS two hands to hold it down, fingers to gouge eyes and feet to kick and cause fatal internal damage and knees with which to drop onto it and do the same. They're lighter than you too. Much more to it than that that's best left unsaid. BUT you have to go in expecting some hurt. No different to a boxer going into a ring though. He's not going in expecting an immediate knockout either. Sorry to sound macabre but that's how life is escaping and evading. And it is said that they KNOW when you're frightened of them. By the same token, I wonder if they know when you're not?
Peter,
Easily distinquished by the pile of poop in your pants:lol::lol:
The problem is they always used WAR DOGS for Escape and Evasion, who attack any part of your body, not like the good old Police dog...............as long as you are holding a pistol in the right hand, he's happy and thats what he's trained for, get a left handed criminal and then he's well and truly ******.
I have a scar on my right arm from my dads Police dog, we were training him to not let go of the padded arm when my dad issued the challenge and let him off the lead. Well his teeth went through the padded arm and it hurt quite a bit.
He has many funny true stories but one I like is when he was pursuing a car thief. The Thief hid in a tunnel and shouted out to the 'Pigs' 'I've got Aids, come and get it' so my dad sent the dog in and shouted back 'Give it to the dog and see if he cares'.
Another time a burglar got one over on my dad when he hid in a tree, my dad shouted out to 'come out or I'll send the dog in' to which the burglar replied 'Dogs can't climb trees'. And he was right.
Which Force was he with?
Once the dog has hold of your arm, which he's trained to do or you let him have it he isn't going to let go. So you put the other free arm across the back of his neck, lever back - and break it. . And DON'T try them at home as they say on TV!!!! I appreciate that they're from the restricted extreme survival handbook and sorry to repeat these obscene E&E tactics but evaders have to be told that dogs aren't invincible. And Gil is right of course. While the cops use omni-trained police dogs...... you know the sort...., who have to be civil when civility is needed but violent/fierce when confronted by *******s, Armies use war/guard/attack dogs. But they only have one set of teeth while we have.........
I have a 8 year old niece that suffers from seizures due from being epileptic. Early on she could have as many as 6-8 a day, severe and heart wrenching to see such a beautiful young girl. She wears a helmet when up and around. She so much wants to just be a normal kid.
About a year and a half ago my wife and I were able to connect them (her family) with a group that has assistance dogs. Cutting to today, she and her pal 'Katy' a golden retriever now fit in on the playground with the other kids. Her seizures have been reduced to 2-3 a day. Thoughts being that maybe her stress level is now lower... That dog will lay over her giving a heads up that an attack is coming on. Has to be a touch of God in those canines.. IMO.
The group is called 4 Paws For Ability
Seizure Assistance Dog - 4 Paws For Ability
CH-P777
Brilliant story and thanks for sharing it.
As I said earlier, we as humans, are only now, in the 21st Century really understanding some of what dogs can do for us. We often learn of their abilities, when the preverbial has hit the fan operationally!!!!!!!!!
I should write a book on what I have personally experienced with so many varieties of breeds, and what they seem to "specialise in", as some breeds are better at certain things, compared to others, its truly amazing!!
Although two different stories, some may remember the news of L/Cpl Liam Tasker, 26, of the Royal Army Veterinary Corps, who was killed while on patrol with his springer spaniel, Theo.
The sniffer dog, described as a "true friend" to the soldier, died hours later after suffering a seizure, with L/Cpl Tasker's family believing he died from a broken heart..... I can only guess it was the stress that caused it, something you can't train into animals is the sudden loss of there owner etc.....
I remember a Lad I sailed with many years ago, He worked for a Security firm whilst having a break from Sea, The van he had was a dog patrol one and was paired with an Alsatian Guard Dog, he said the dog wasn't your normal Guard dog as it whined in the back of the van, it was only when he was called to check a factory that was in Darkness that he realised the problem, he found an open Door, so quick thinking he Shouted I'm sending the dog in and shut the door, expecting screams from the none resident ...... all he heard was whining and scratching on the door, turned out the Dog was scared of the dark......... as long as John was with him and had a torch he was fine he even had to travel in the passenger seat............. obvious over time the bond was well...... (if you've ever had a Dog you know what I mean), John had to buy the Dog from the Security firm at a very high price due to its training ......he tried several times to explain the Dogs condition but fell on deaf ears, in the end and after paying a record amount they both parted the security firm.
My wife and I became the owners of my daughters female doberman mix, that she had rescued from a local shelter. Rhea became ours after my daughter went in to the Navy.
A few days in to our first week with us she jumped on the bed shaking almost uncontrollably. Was it a doggy nightmare? No idea, but after trying every thing we could think of to calm her down with no avail, the answer came soon enough... A thunderstorm! Day or night when she acts like this I can turn on the weather channel and sure enough a storm is coming. Whats amazing to me, even though I know a dog can hear better than I can, she will do this when the storms are still out in the middle of Lake Michigan hours away from our home.
Really glad we don't live farther SW in the tornado alley.
But be it during the extended July 4th festivities, with people shooting off all types of fireworks, I swear that dog sits calm as hell on the patio looking up with a OOOOHHH and AAAWWW type of glare.
Go figure
Charlie-Painter777
Not so unusual reaction. I learned to smell storms coming from a dog that had a similar reaction...Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
I just watched a series on Russia's toughest prisons one was the Black Dolphin the other cannot remember not good at Russian names any way they make western prisons look like 5 star hotels and not the place you would want to be incarcerated in. In the second place they have a special breed of mountain dogs the Sheppard's used for guarding their livestock they are especially viscous and weigh in at 90 kilograms which they akin when this thing hits you if your trying to escape is like being hit by a 45ACP round, think they said when on their hind legs they are 2 mtrs tall plain nasty medicine.
Found what they are called here's a couple of pics of them for scale ~ Caucasian Ovcharka
Geoff,
L/Cpl Liam Tasker and Theo, now there is a story.
I spent years speaking to the WW2 handlers in the 13th Battalion with my interest in dogs and eventually wrote a book to raise much needed funds for our Parachute Regiment Museum based at Duxford, called "The Amazing Adventures of BING The Parachuting Dog" through the eyes of what the dog experienced, who in April 1947, was awarded the PDSA Dicken Medal or Victoria Cross for animals for his outstanding bravery whilst saving hundreds of lives of paratroopers by simply indicating when Germans ahead had laid an ambush. It sounds crazy but that dog was also amazing in what it taught me.
So to Liam and Theo. I was invited by the PDSA to the ceremony at their HQ in London, where Theo recieved her Victoria Cross (PDSA Dicken Medal) Postumously, as I had a very close working realtionship with both the RAVC and the Peoples Dispensary for Sick Animals, and besides my wifes name is Theo, which made it more poignant.
Not a dry eye in the place!
This is an interesting Pathe News reel parts one and two and shows a Whirlwind Helicopter dropping a dog into the jungle at 12:49 on Reel one. Leicestershire Regiments contacts in the jungle and an MC won by one of its officers is presumably what the story line was all about.
Also interesting to see the NO5 rifles and a variety of weapons used by the Indonesian side. I appreciate its a propaganda film but there are lots of points that come out of it, mine would be why was it made by a predominantly UK news organisation, not a film company.
Ambush Reel 1 (1964) - YouTube
Ambush Reel 2 (1964) - YouTube
30 years with Cumbria Constabulary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
Brit Plumber,
Thanks for that. I think they used the WOLVES system up there with their Tactical Firearms trained dogs if my memory is correct.
It was Carlisle, Comberland and Westmoreland Police when I was there as an apprentice. We used to play their Police Cadets at sports and games and they used to use our Gymnasiums with us. Howqever, they weren't allowed to do log work with those great lengths of telegraph poles we used to throw about like matchwood. We'd also do outward bound training together for days out on those bleak desolate fells/moors. Any kit losses we'd put down to the thieving Police Cadets! I still go back occasionally to reunions and the only thing that's changed about Carlisle is that the bus station has been moved and Binns is now House of Frazer!
Just looked at 10 mts of the film.... obviously a PR film! What were the rifles FN's or L1A1's? .303 Brens and Sterlings so it was just before the 'new' AR15's came on stream.
Fascinating films, Gil.
Peter,
Probably a film about Lt Peele of the Leicestershires who was awarded an MC. Unusual to see a two part film like that from Pathe.
Here's another film of the Headhunters of Borneo in 1929 made by Pathe. Thank God they had gone when we got there!!! :surrender:
Borneo And The Pygmy Cannibals (1929) - YouTube
I was probably there then Gil!!!!! The trouble was that we had machine guns and fxxxxxg great Savage shotguns and they didn't. Just joking for the benefit of the politically correct souls
No good giving them guns anyway. The lads at the Battle of Plaman Mapu in 1965 gave their trackers an SMG each. During the attack they were missing, only to be found cowering in their trench afterwards. When the CSM looked more closely, they wouldn't have been any use anyway, the SMG blocks and working parts had rusted solid, never been oiled since they were issued.................so best stick to blow pipes and spears in future!!
Worrying really and down to training them and covering safety, cleaning etc etc
Weird Weapons [Anti Tank Dog] - YouTube
They cared not for their Troops let alone dogs...........grrrr
Shouldn't it be? Dog Anti-Tank
......."for the use of"
Shouldn't laugh, but it is quite funny.
My limited experience is with a brief association with RAAF "pooches".
They come from all manner of backgrounds, but by hard work from the "handlers". become part of the "machine", to the point that, when the handler demises or retires, there is a problem.
Will the dog accept a new "handler"?
Quite a few "retirees" take the option of taking their faithful and fearless companion as part of their "severance package". These are "one man (person) dogs", who know damn well that their handler will die to defend them and they will reciprocate in turn. VERY few dogs will accept a new "Handler".
I have encountered a few "retired" pooches, who have only barely fitted into "civvy street". BEST mate a person could have in a sticky situation. I have heard of a few retired "handlers" who have "lost the plot" badly when the disparity between "doggie years" and human years catches up.