Did anybody get anything today at poulin's?
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Did anybody get anything today at poulin's?
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Bit OTT for my wallet cannot figure a T with all the fruit etc Lot 208 for $5600.oo and an Lot 2010 L42 for $4700.oo when the other T's went for 8+k also that 1889 wow is that what they are getting!
I followed the auction and was signed in to bid but never pulled the trigger. I have not bought a firearm stateside in the last 20 yrs. People tell me now you have to basically double the hammer price by the time you factor in the exchange rate, buyers premium, shipping, import fees etc. That factored in I did not buy, that's not to say that a strong temptation existed though. Bob had some real neat stuff and I hear that Bob's favorites to shoot were..... his enfields.
I actually thought some of it would go a lot higher than it did. There were some bargains in there.
Bob had some kit that was out of this world and only a small % of it has surfaced....so far.
There were some bargains if you were in the crowd but for us poor punters out of country or internet bidding the actual price would be 20 to 50% above hammer price.
Then you also have shipping, brokerage, import duty and taxes if out of country.
The SMLE "sniper" went way too high for it's only redeeming qualities being a re numbered set of long branch rings and a brit no 32 scope.
The L42 with the REL l1a1 scope was definitely a bargain...
I bid on the Envoy and bowed out at $2300. Add the buyer's premium and the shipping cost and you approach the $2750 mark pretty quickly. Some really neat items in the auction. I had trouble focusing on any one item. So many choices. I was very impressed at the prices realized.
I gave 2022 a go, but it started high, and with the 17-1/2% sellers fee, it got out of sight for me before I could speak. I did get the high serial Savage. Not my primary interest, but still a No. 4.
I was in on the Envoy, but it got past $1,400.00 quick. I passed on that. There were two other lots that interested me, but I was out before I was in.
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I'd gather not a lot of folks know about the "Conv" series of pre-L-42 work. I've got one, and glad I was able to get it when I did. I think they are undiscovered gems.
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Originally Posted by CINDERS
I've tracked down some lots from Poulin's which I mainly followed of interest. Maybe it is of interest to some here too:
item description ---------- lot number ---------- estimate ---------- hammer price (without buyer's premium)
.303 C.S.A.D. Simplified Rifle, mid-1942 ---------- 2001 ---------- $7.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $6.000,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mk I, Enfield 1889, wirebreaker ---------- 2002 ---------- $5.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $7.000,00
.303 Thorneycroft Bull-pup circa 1905 ---------- 2003 ---------- $5.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $19.500,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*(T) Long Branch, No.32 Mk IA ---------- 2004 ---------- $5.000,00 - 8.000,00 ---------- $8.200,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*(T) Long Branch, No.32 Mk 3 ---------- 2005 ---------- $4.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $8.000,00
.22 No.5 Mk I Trials Rifle with both Magazines ---------- 2006 ---------- $4.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $3.000,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Cavalry Carbine Mk I, Enfield ---------- 2007 ---------- $4.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $3.100,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I (T) No.32 Mk 3 scope ---------- 2008 ---------- $4.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $5.600,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*(T) with C No.67 Mk I scope ---------- 2009 ---------- $4.000,00 - 9.000,00 ---------- $7.600,00
7.62mm Rifle No.4 Mk I(T) Converted ---------- 2010 ---------- $3.500,00 - 6.500,00 ---------- $4.700,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mk I*, Enfield 1892 ---------- 2011 ---------- $3.500,00 - 5.500,00 ---------- $2.900,00
.303 No.5 Mk I w/ Grenade Projector & Sight ---------- 2012 ---------- $3.500,00 - 7.000,00 ---------- $2.600,00
.303 Pattern 1914 Mk I*(T) Irish Contract ---------- 2013 ---------- $3.500,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $9.750,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III*, Plastic furniture ---------- 2014 ---------- $3.000,00 - 5.000,00 ---------- $2.800,00
.303 Simplified Rifle, circa WW1 ---------- 2015 ---------- $3.000,00 - 5.000,00 ---------- $7.000,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I(T) No.32 Mk I scope ---------- 2017 ---------- $3.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $2.300,00
7.62mm Rifle L42A1, Enfield 1970 ---------- 2018 ---------- $3.000,00 - 5.000,00 ---------- $3.600,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Trials Carbine, Enfield 1893 ---------- 2019 ---------- $3.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $4.100,00
6mm Lee Straight-pull British Sample ---------- 2020 ---------- $3.000,00 - 4.500,00 ---------- $5.300,00
7.62mm Enforcer, Enfield 1980 ---------- 2021 ---------- $3.000,00 - 5.000,00 ---------- $5.750,00
7.62mm Rifle L42A1 scarce cond. No.4 Mk I*(T) ---------- 2022 ---------- $3.000,00 - 5.000,00 ---------- $6.500,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I/2(T), Indian refurbished ---------- 2023 ---------- $2.750,00 - 4.750,00 ---------- $2.400,00
.43 Spanish Gras Rifle - Test or Trials example ---------- 2024 ---------- $2.500,00 - 3.500,00 ---------- $5.500,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Cavalry Carbine Mk I, LSA trade ---------- 2025 ---------- $2.500,00 - 5.000,00 ---------- $3.000,00
.303 SMLE Mk III* Sniper Rifle with No.32 scope ---------- 2025 ---------- $2.500,00 - 5.500,00 ---------- $4.700,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Charger Loading Rifle, Pat. model ---------- 2027 ---------- $2.500,00 - 4.000,00 ---------- $3.200,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III* H.T. High Mount ---------- 2028 ---------- $2.500,00 - 4.500,00 ---------- $4.200,00
.50 Carter Edwards Trials Rifle 1867 Imp., 2nd Patt. ---------- 2029 ---------- $2.000,00 - 3.000,00 ---------- $2.500,00
7.62mm Rifle No.4 Mk I(T), Extra Service ---------- 2030 ---------- $2.000,00 - 4.000,00 ---------- $3.000,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III with luminous sights ---------- 2036 ---------- $1.500,00 - 2.500,00 ---------- $4.400,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk IV Cond. with Lattey Sights ---------- 2037 ---------- $1.500,00 - 2.500,00 ---------- $6.000,00
.30 US Model 1917, Presentation ---------- 2100 ---------- $1.500,00 - 3.000,00 ---------- $1.800,00
.303 Rifle No.3 Mk I* w/ No.1 Grenade Discharger Cup ---------- 2123 ---------- $800,00 - 1.400,00 ---------- $900,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I/2 Sniper, New Guinea Police ---------- 2131 ---------- $750,00 - 1.500,00 ---------- $800,00
.303 M1895 Steyr Long Rifle modified to pump action ---------- 2141 ---------- $600,00 - 1.000,00 ---------- $2.400,00
It was quite a trip. 2100 miles round trip with a bit of rain/snow in Toledo but very nice weather the rest of the trip. People seemed far more pleasant this trip than I remember from past trips.
It was nice to see, handle and compare the Faris items. I was surprised that the auction was mostly done by phone and computer. They only provided seating for thirty or so bidders. No free food at Poulins but Julia had doughnut derivatives. I got a few crumbs to have made the trip well worth while. In general the prices were staggering.
Did you just get donut derivatives or .......common tell us about it!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
I was a registered bidder and was hoping to get a fair shot at the long branch light weight but that went quickly down the tubes when the opening bid went $12,500 us and it sold quickly for $22,000us. Auction estimated high price was 10,000us....but what do they know eh!!!! So I took my frustrations out on Gun Broker for the Chuck Karwin L42a1......only accessories was scope caps, scope tin and non-serialized chest...bid a respectable $6000us.....in the last few minutes it went for $9,325us!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the time it's landed in Canada you can tack on at least 40%!!
The Americans have a lot deeper pockets than I do.......recently at the Poulins auction a FG-42 magazine went for $5000something us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The deact FG-42 went for $170,000 us plus 20% buyers premium!!!! Enough said!!!
Did anyone here get that Lee Metford Trials carbine?
To not only talk on the Faris items at Poulins I may also add the results of the items at James D. Julia Auctions:
item description ---------- lot number ---------- estimate ---------- hammer price (without buyer's premium)
.303 Rifle No.1 Mk VI, First Prototype ---------- 1645 ---------- $15.000,00 - 25.000,00 ---------- $49.000,00
.303 Rifle No.1 Mk VI, Early Prototype ---------- 1646 ---------- $10.000,00 - 20.000,00 ---------- $10.500,00
.303 Magazine 1902 Trials S.M.L.E., A Patt. ---------- 1647 ---------- $15.000,00 - 20.000,00 ---------- $27.500,00
.303 Magazine 1902 Trials S.M.L.E., B Patt. ---------- 1648 ---------- $15.000,00 - 20.000,00 ---------- $27.500,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I Pre-Production, Trials No.4 ---------- 1649 ---------- $10.000,00 - 15.000,00 ---------- $6.500,00
.303 Rifle No.1 Mk VI - ‘A’ Pattern ---------- 1650 ---------- $15.000,00 - 25.000,00 ---------- $10.500,00
.303 Rifle No.6 Mk I (Aust.) Prototype ---------- 1651 ---------- $10.000,00 - 20.000,00 ---------- $11.000,00
.303 Rifle No.6 Mk I/I (Aust.) Trials Rifle ---------- 1652 ---------- $10.000,00 - 20.000,00 ---------- $10.500,00
.303 SMLE Howell Self-loading Conversion ---------- 1653 ---------- $10.000,00 - 15.000,00 ---------- $27.500,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I, Tool-room prototype LT2 ---------- 1654 ---------- $6.000,00 - 12.000,00 ---------- $6.000,00
.303 No.1 Mk III* Shortened & Lightened (Aust.) ---------- 1655 ---------- $5.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $6.000,00
.303 No.1 Mk VI Test Rifle ---------- 1656 ---------- $5.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $4.500,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I, Tool-room prototype. ---------- 1657 ---------- $5.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $3.000,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I Troop Trials ---------- 1658 ---------- $5.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $5.000,00
.303 Canadian Lightened No.4 ---------- 1659 ---------- $4.000,00 - 10.000,00 ---------- $22.000,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III Pratt & Whitney sample ---------- 1660 ---------- $3.000,00 - 6.000,00 ---------- $9.500,00
I just felt like throwing this in for discussion. I bid on a few items, but did not win any. I prebid on two lots. The first was a Winchester M1 Garand for $2200.00 and it went to someone on the floor for $2200.00. The other was for a parts lot that had M1 Garand stocks and other parts. (I wanted the G43 locking lugs among other things) I prebid $1100.00 for that one and it went to someone on the floor for $1100.00. I also bid on another spur of the moment rifle when it looked to be going for a low ball price, but then it was chased up to more than it was worth. I was really upset about loosing to someone bidding after me that didn't bid more than I did. But when I called to ask how that could happen they explained that even though I was an internet prebid someone on the floor actually bids for me and they were slow on the draw. So, to the auctioneer, the person on the floor bid first. Oh well... I also consider the fact the auction house knows my maximum prebid before the auction even starts. It just doesn't sit well with me. I still am simmering over it. My internet connection is so slow and undependable that I doubt I could have increased my bidding before the hammer dropped even though I was watching it live. I was going to bid on a Savage No 4 US Property marked, as that's one I'm missing in my collection, coming up later in the auction but was so disgusted I closed out. It looked like somebody got a good deal on it.
Common practice in afraid, i lost out on two rifles the same way at Australian Antique Arms. Amongst other questionable practices. If I'm not there i won't bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldpilot
The one thing that bothers me is when auction houses start the bidding at my maximum bid. When they say $1500 to $2000 as a estimate and I put a $3000 bid in and that is what it starts off at.
They tell you that up front. Be a phone bidder. Then they bring you in when floor bidding gets slow. They aren't there to help you save money and get a bargain.
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Originally Posted by mr.e moose
It depends on the auction house. Some will bid your max bid right off the bat, and some will start at a estimated price and bid in $25.00 increments. Even E-Bay does not throw all your cards on the table right at the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by limpetmine
If a member purchased lot 2004 I would be greatly interested in hearing from you as your mismatched chest is a match for my Long Branch T
I bid with Poulun's as my representative. I won one auction out of two and they did NOT start bidding at my highest level. :-) I was very pleased with their services. I was able to repatriate a rare Canadian sniper rifle. One can save money by reading their rules carefully (though these are confusing, so I phoned and got clarification from the nice staff in the office) paying by bank draft saves one money. The rifle was shipped very well wrapped and perhaps oddly, the rifle, scope, magazine and bolt were each wrapped separately but sent in the same gun case.
Apologies if this is a repeat but just a heads up for anyone who may be interested. I see more of the Faris collection is coming up at Poulins end of this month.
Some 4T's including a Long Branch one with a Lyman Alaskan, couple of L42A1s, SMLE with trench warfare stock, etc.
Wishing I wasn't in the U.K...........
If some here also followed the auction, these are some results I wrote down:
item description ---------- lot number ---------- low estimate ---------- high estimate ---------- hammer price (without buyer's premium)
.303 Rifle No.5 Grenade Trials, D5E 171/X/8 #2001 $5.500,00 $7.500,00 $3.750,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*(T) with Lyman TP scope #2002 $5.000,00 $10.000,00 $5.200,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Cavalry Carbine Mk I, Enfield #2003 $4.500,00 $6.500,00 $5.500,00
.303 S.M.L.E Mk III with Trench Warfare Mount #2006 $10.000,00 $15.000,00 $6.800,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Cavalry Carbine Mk I, RNWMP #2008 $4.000,00 $8.000,00 $8.100,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Carbine Mk I, LSA, auto trigger #2009 $3.500,00 $6.500,00 $2.500,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*(T), Stevens Savage #2010 $3.500,00 $5.500,00 $4.000,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I (T), Israeli rework #2011 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $2.750,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I (T), No.32 Mk I scope #2012 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $2.700,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mk I, BSA Lee-Speed #2013 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $2.100,00
.303 Rifle No.5 Hung Trigger prototype E6 #2014 $3.000,00 $6.000,00 $5.250,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield R.I.C. Carbine Mk I, Enfield #2015 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $2.000,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III, Early WW1 Sniper #2016 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $7.250,00
7.62mm L42A1 Sniper Rifle #2017 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $5.000,00
7.62mm Rifle L42A1, Enfield 1977 #2018 $3.000,00 $5.000,00 $5.000,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mk II, Sparkbrook 1893 #2019 $3.000,00 $4.000,00 $2.100,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mk I* w/ Morris Tube #2020 $2.500,00 $4.000,00 $3.100,00
.22rf Long Rifle Mk II, Enfield 1897 #2021 $2.500,00 $4.000,00 $5.500,00
.402 Enfield Model 1885 Remington-Lee, British trials #2022 $2.500,00 $4.000,00 $5.250,00
.45/70 1885 Pattern US Trials Rifle, w/ extra magazine #2023 $2.500,00 $3.500,00 $1.650,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Charger Loading Rifle Mk I* #2024 $2.500,00 $3.500,00 $1.850,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle Mk I, BSA 1899 #2025 $2.000,00 $3.000,00 $1.600,00
.303 Rifle No.5 Mk I, Sample for Canada #2026 $2.000,00 $3.000,00 $5.250,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle Mk I*, Sparkbrook 1902 #2027 $2.000,00 $3.000,00 $1.900,00
.303 Pattern 1914 Mk I*(T)A #2028 $2.000,00 $4.000,00 $8.750,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle Mk I* BSA Lee-Speed #2029 $1.800,00 $2.600,00 $1.600,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Charger Loading Rifle Mk I* #2030 $1.800,00 $2.600,00 $1.400,00
.22rf Magazine Lee-Enfield Mk I Small-bore Min. Rifle Assoc. #2031 $1.800,00 $2.400,00 $1.400,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*(T), UK Police issue #2032 $1.750,00 $3.750,00 $700,00
.22rf Magazine Lee-Enfield Mk I Small-bore Min. Rifle Club #2033 $1.500,00 $2.500,00 $1.200,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle Mk I*, BSA Lee-Speed #2034 $1.500,00 $3.000,00 $1.300,00
.297/230 Magazine Lee-Enfield Mk I* Small-bore Min. R.C. #2035 $1.500,00 $2.500,00 $1.400,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III, Commercial, Rifle Club #2036 $1.500,00 $2.200,00 $1.200,00
.303/7.92mm Rimless Pattern 1914 Mk I*, 1937 Trials #2037 $1.500,00 $3.000,00 $2.350,00
.303 No.1 Mk VI Upgrade for WW2 issue #2038 $1.500,00 $2.000,00 $900,00
.32 Magazine Lee-Metford Mk II Indoor Trainer, Enfield 1893 #2039 $1.500,00 $2.000,00 $1.300,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I*, Laminated Stock #2040 $1.500,00 $3.000,00 $1.700,00
.30/40 Krag Remington-Lee Carbine #2041 $1.500,00 $2.500,00 $1.200,00
.45/70 Model 1882 Remington-Lee Improved Rifle #2042 $1.500,00 $2.000,00 $1.000,00
.30/40 Remington-Lee Rifle, prototype #2043 $1.500,00 $2.500,00 $2.300,00
.303 SMLE Rifle Mk V, 1922 #2044 $1.400,00 $1.800,00 $1.450,00
.303 SMLE Rifle Mk V, 1924 #2046 $1.200,00 $1.800,00 $1.000,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle, Shortened Rifle Club Pattern #2048 $1.100,00 $1.800,00 $400,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Rifle Short, Range Pattern, BSA #2049 $1.000,00 $2.000,00 $500,00
7.62mm Rifle L39A1 Pre-Production #2050 $1.000,00 $2.000,00 $2.500,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Charger Loading Rifle Mk I, VSM #2051 $1.000,00 $2.000,00 $1.150,00
.43 Spanish 1885 Model Remington-Lee, N.Z. marked #2052 $1.000,00 $1.500,00 $2.750,00
.45/70 1879 Model Remington-Lee w/ Cook magazine #2053 $1.000,00 $1.500,00 $950,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Charger Loading Short Rifle, BSA #2054 $900,00 $1.600,00 $2.750,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Metford Rifle Mk II, Enfield, Rifle Club #2055 $900,00 $1.100,00 $1.050,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Charger Loading Rifle Mk I*, trade #2056 $900,00 $1.600,00 $750,00
.30/40 Krag Model 1899 Remington-Lee Rifle #2057 $900,00 $1.600,00 $850,00
.303 Rifle No.1 Mk III* Shortened, U.K. #2058 $900,00 $1.400,00 $800,00
.303 Pattern 1914 Mk I*, Winchester #2060 $900,00 $1.400,00 $2.900,00
.22 Rifle No.8 Type Match Rifle #2061 $800,00 $1.200,00 $2.450,00
.22 Short Rifle Mk III, Enfield #2062 $800,00 $1.100,00 $800,00
.22 Short Rifle Pattern 1918 #2063 $800,00 $1.200,00 $2.900,00
.303 SMLE Rifle Mk V Prototype Lightened Pattern #2064 $800,00 $1.200,00 $3.400,00
.303 Magazine Lee-Enfield Infantry Carbine, N.Z. Pattern #2065 $800,00 $1.200,00 $800,00
7.62mm Rifle No.4 Mk I* Long Branch, Rifle club #2066 $800,00 $1.200,00 $1.000,00
7.62mm Rifle CNo.4 Mk I* Competition #2067 $800,00 $1.200,00 $1.100,00
.303 S.M.L.E Rifle Mk I*, L.S.A. Co. #2068 $800,00 $1.500,00 $1.650,00
.22 Short Rifle Pattern 1918 Modified #2069 $800,00 $1.200,00 $2.300,00
7.62mm Rifle No.4 Mk 2 Sterling Conversion #2070 $800,00 $1.200,00 $3.150,00
.303 Ross Model 1910 #2071 $800,00 $1.200,00 $2.200,00
.276 Pattern 1913, ex Indian Tests #2072 $750,00 $1.250,00 $1.100,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Mk I*** EY w/ 2.5-in. Discharger Cup #2073 $750,00 $1.250,00 $800,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Mk III* EY w/ 2.5-in. Discharger Cup #2074 $750,00 $1.250,00 $700,00
.303 Rifle No.1 Mk III* w/ 2.5-in. Discharger Cup #2075 $750,00 $1.200,00 $700,00
.303 Rifle No.1 Mk III* w/ Grenade Launching Spigot #2077 $700,00 $1.100,00 $1.100,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I w/ Grenade Launching Spigot #2078 $700,00 $1.100,00 $750,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk III, B.S.A. Co. #2079 $700,00 $1.200,00 $900,00
.22 Rifle No.9 Mk I #2087 $600,00 $1.200,00 $800,00
.22rf Pattern 1914 Mk I* Conversion, Birmingham #2088 $600,00 $900,00 $2.000,00
.22 Rifle No.8 Mk I #2090 $500,00 $700,00 $650,00
.303 Pattern 1914 Mk I, Eddystone #2113 $800,00 $1.200,00 $1.800,00
.303 Rifle No.4 Mk I* Full-length Sectioned Repro #2132 $500,00 $800,00 $550,00
.303 Pattern 1914 Mk I*(F) Winchester #2133 $500,00 $800,00 $1.150,00
.30 US Model 1917, Remote Fire #2158 $1.750,00 $2.750,00 $2.800,00
.30 US Model 1917, Shortened, Indian Service #2163 $500,00 $900,00 $2.300,00
.22 Short MLE Trainer, Trade Pattern #2447 $300,00 $500,00 $450,00
.303 S.M.L.E. Rifle Mk I***, 1904, R.N.O.D. #2448 $300,00 $500,00 $575,00
Has someone here been successful in the auction? It appears that I was :)
Edit: sorry, some errors in my listing above .. like lot #2163 contains also a second rifle, as does the Ross M1910 (there were two of them sold). Just be careful and check it double if you are using my numbers.