I noticed this deactivated L86 light support weapon for sale on Chelmsford Militaries' website. I'm not sure which spec deac it is but it's priced @ £3950 plus P&P if anyones interested.
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I noticed this deactivated L86 light support weapon for sale on Chelmsford Militaries' website. I'm not sure which spec deac it is but it's priced @ £3950 plus P&P if anyones interested.
There were a few L86A1's for sale a while back, they hit the market around about 2000, love to know their origins.
The few examples iv'e seen, tend to be quite early examples with a variety of early features. Very steep price for something you won't even be able to give away in a few days without having it welded solid!
Hopefully post EU, these rules will be dropped.
Silly boy, advertising it I say. You can BET your bottom dollar that this will be seized by the over vigilant/enthusiastic police within the next week or so. They are seizing every one they see/find it appears. As for the EU rules being dropped..... I say don't hold your breath Mr Clarke! And guess what, once they've seized it, they can't return it (if they ever intend to.....) unless they weld it up - at your cost!
Are you able to tell us why the Police are seizing the L86 deacs, Peter? I wondered if this one was technically correct with all the right bits on etc. The dealers appear to be stop selling the non E.U. deacs from the 2nd May.
A lot of L86s came out of Nottingham when the factory closed. What was wanted/needed was taken and the rest left. A few dealers were invited to clean it out and so a lot of the non standard guns ended up being chopped and the spare parts being cobbled together. I think MP did some back in the 00s.
The police have been told NO SA80's have EVER been released EVER..... and are now using that info. to harass lawful owners.!
I thought that a few deac SA80s came from somewhere in the Caribbean? They are a bit too modern for me to want one but interesting to know the history.
We have the very odd one too. Here's one from questionable sources. Wish I could put it in Peter's hands and he could read it, so as maybe shed light on the origins.
British SA80 Rifle - Deactivated - Collector's Source, Military Collectibles Online
It's very rare that you see any deac SA80s for sale in the U.K. in any sort of configuration. I was told that some of the preserved military vehicle people use air-soft versions for displaying on their vehicles.
That's one of the very early guns with out the mag catch guard and the cheek pad is that dirty green colour. I bet it came out of the Nottingham factory with all the other stuff when it closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Not a bad price compared to U.K. Prices.
Peter L can probably confirm or deny that some L85A1s were deactivated for Soldier Soldier.
I can also confirm that there are probably well over 100 L85s deactivated to pre 95 spec. We have 6 + 1 LSW at work complete with deact proof marks. So the MOD are completely out of touch!
All the SA80 bodies that I'm aware of that were cleared out from Nottingham were not serial numbered.
A section 5 dealer that aquired some of them then serial numbered them with a prefix of his post code before deactivation.
Surely the proof house would "raise the alarm" if something was submitted for a deactivation certificate and checking etc if there was something a bit dodgy about it? One would think that the 2 U.K. proof houses would be fully aware of all the rules and regulations and what is and isn't allowed?
It WAS the London proof master that set the whole thing off in 2015 or so. Their brief is to proof or fail what is submitted as I read the legislation. When the earliest deacts and legal imports are from the mid 90's or so and legal, advertised retail sales here started at about the same time. Maybe he was asleep in the 25 years between. Or is the proof house now simply an agent of the state.
Thank-you for making us aware of it.
Looks like an early Enfield made example Jim, 1985 manufacture, wonder if it came to Canada from Jamaica or Kenya, the only other State users that I am aware of are Peru, I think theirs were later ROF Notingham examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
I can't even imagine, wonder if it was ordered by one of the DCRA types back then. If ordered back in '85 or '86 when new, there was a whole different songsheet to use at that time. It might have been non-selective and would have been OK...hard to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Appears to selective fire and going by the S/N UE85A000104, it's a an early example too.
Shame it's been welded solid Jim...
And solid is the exact correct term...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
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Originally Posted by skiprat
Which is, of course, not true, as a batch were quite legitimately sold (that's not a criticism of you Skiprat). I have no doubt that the person that bought them, that told me he did, was telling me the truth.
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Originally Posted by Flying10uk
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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Guess what - it is no longer listed for sale :rolleyes:
Because it is now after the 2nd of May 2017 and the new regs/laws are being enforced.Quote:
Originally Posted by David TS
That's true, but that might be one of only several possible reasons why it is no longer listed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
They may have withdrawn it whilst they modify it to the deactivation spec under the new regulations;
They may have already modified it to the deactivation spec under the new regulations;
It may have been seized, as Peter suggests;
There may be another reason! :)
As we have gone past the 2nd May, for those who have deactivated firearms/weapons etc, (although it ceases to be a Firearm after deactivation) we are basically stuck with them, but I was asked the question in a Military fair not so long ago regarding a *"Defective Deactivated weapon" of which they are all classed as now if not deactivated to current EU standard and you wish to sell, trade or pass on etc *so if a supposedly post 1995 deactivated weapon was more in line with an old spec weapon, IE, the trigger mech was working or the welded bolt had been removed or similar, obvious its not correct to the spec it should be, but in all tense and purpose it will be a Defective Deactivated weapon as much as any other, so where would one stand......... if they were planning on keeping it ??
To me if the person bought such a weapon I would suspect fowl play somewhere along the line but, with the new EU spec in force , I said I doubt it would raise much concern, as anything not to current EU spec is upon sale or transfer etc "Defective" and at the end of the day it still is rendered incable of discharging a projectile.
Anyone any thoughts ??
It may be a bit to digest, and I can hear the Dremils firing up as I type this added bit, but think again, caught with a Deac in bits and the Hum of the dremil I could only surmise it would be classed as "intent" .........
Must admit I've seen such cases over the years at fairs and shows etc where something was a miss with the spec and normally replaced them back on the rack or bench and wiped off my dabs.......
*The classification of " Defective " only comes into place if one is trying to trade, sell or pass on a weapon not to EU spec, anything in a collection etc is fine, but will need to be up graded to the new spec if one is to sell or trade etc.
I wonder how a suitably qualified/licensed dealer will bring an earlier U.K. spec deac up to the new E.U. spec? How is he going to drill the holes in the bottom of the barrel, as per E.U. spec, when there is already a slot cut through it? Is he going to have to fit a new barrel so he can re-deactivate it in the new way, weld up the slot then drill holes through it or perhaps just drill holes through thin air???
It's a very interesting point Geoff, as you say everything prior to April 2016 is now regarded as "defective", the EU directive has superseded all previous specs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
You could say the legality of modifying one spec to another (providing no attempt whatsoever to reactivate is made) is now completely irrelevant, as these specs are no longer accepted and considered obsolete by the Proof Houses for the purposes of re-certification, much like the deacs prior to 1988 were.
On the other hand, as you say Geoff, if caught in the act of adjusting one by the police, it may not work out too well for them.
Best bet is to just leave well alone, I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone went ahead and "freed up" a new (old) spec deac.
As you say Geoff, we have all seen mucked about with deacs, Brens with removable barrels are by far the most common examples of this.
John, obvious this guy (in the question) was trying to sell before the cutoff date and someone had picked up on it......... I very much doubt he had anything to do with the "change" can only guess it was previous owner,.
A Bren with a removable barrel, something some can only dream of..... or missed out on (far easier to store) , in fact a Bren you can cock and fire .......all gone now.....
Yep, seen a few old spec 1989 deac removable barrel Brens over the years Geoff, even a few with piston extensions still relatively intact, just slightly cut.
As opposed to the "I accidentally dropped it and the weld holding the barrel failed" honestly guv, type...
Welded up trash from here on in mate
I recently asked a similar question to a dealer friend and it was his opinion (And one I value) that the previous standards are still extant even though they are now defective. By tampering with a previous standard you would be returning the item to it's original classification.
B.P. are you able to answer this question, please? Several dealers have said that they can bring older U.K. spec deacs up to the new E.U. deac spec but how are they going to drill a series of holes, which the new spec calls for, when there is already a slot cut where the holes need to be drilled??? :confused: :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
I would guess F10, (if the PH were that anal about an already completely destroyed barrel) they would drill the holes on the side instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
With regard to modifying deacs and their subsequent return to their previous legal status, that is something that would need to be argued in court, at the very least it could end up with your initial arrest, with all the embarrassment that entails and a long interview without coffee.
I think we can all agree that wouldn't be a position any of us would like to be in, so best play it safe and just leave them well alone.
John Its a position none of us here would get into in the first place, Its interesting to what folk have heard though, one dealer I spoke to said basically what BP,s friend said, others were spouting pure....... and others were on the fence.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
F10 I would assume they would just use a bigger drill than the slot, does it have to be a round hole ?
I don't know if it needs to be a round hole, I just assumed that it had to be a whole hole. (No pun intended.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
I'm just a militaria collector and enthusiast so only know what dealers say and what's online.
My personal opinion is that there is a chance that the law may change so that some of the later U.K. spec deacs may be permitted to change hands where the spec is very close to the current E.U. spec.. Nothing more than a hunch.