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I thought I'd see if there were any Tavor owners here and what their experiences were with said Israeli service rifle copy... I'm sure there's more than one story about them here, I have a few, and perhaps some of you down south have the select fire models...
Anyway, let's see...where to start? Pics stolen from everywhere...just so you know what firearm I speak of.
Thanks for starting this one Jim.
As mentioned in a different thread my son has one. It is the X95 with a Trijicon MRO red dot and seems to be decent for accuracy.
The one thing I have found is it is hard on brass as they can get a pretty decent dent near the should on ejection. I think after a few hundred rounds fired there appears to be a little less denting, possibly the gun is wearing in and maybe this makes the difference.
Accuracy seems to be OK and think he is going to use it at the military shoot this weekend. Will see how it scores and get back. One thing is it functions perfectly and appears to be very well made.
Pic 1, Warminster!
I have had the SAR version since it became available here. I think I might have mentioned it when there was some discussion on replacing the SA-80.
There’s a lot I like and some things I don’t like about the Tavor. At the top of my like list is its simplicity and durability.
The trigger was terrible when I got it. Changing a couple of springs made it better.
It’s 5.56… and I won’t go into that. The BLK, .300 Blackout, version wasn’t available at the time or I would have got it. The bullpup design doesn’t lend itself to longer barrel a full power rifle cartridge needs. So, there’s no point in me wanting a 7.62x51. The best I can hope for is 7.62x39 version.
It’s not a great gun to suppress. That’s because there are not a lot of parts available to deal with the issues you run into with a suppressor. When you finally get it running kinda well with a suppressor, you find out it there’s lot of mechanical noise.
For what it is, a home defense, urban combat or policing weapon its accuracy is ok. It’s better than an average AK. About the same as an AR. It’s not a sniper rifle.
The Tavor is the only bullpup I own. It was a big adjustment for me to get used to. Old dog learning new tricks. Unlearning old muscle memory and learning new. It was a significant learning experience for me. I am still not 100% comfortable with it. That’s me, not the gun. I will get better more practice. My magazine changes have come a long way. I would never go back to an AR-15.
The best way I can summarize the Tavor is to say it’s the Glock of bullpups.
I wasn't aware they did that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Absolutely agree here...more to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
You probably trialled that very one. It does look like issue, the second looks like Civvie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
There are two men here that have one each side by side. Neither will group a pie plate at 100 with factory ammo. I took one rifle to test myself, like always, have another shoot it and see. This one I speak of also gave full broadside bullet profile at 100. It's a 7" twist. I thought I should start with slugging the bore and check the twist. You never know...I used a 27 cal ball and tapped it into the commencement, muzzle down, with a .22 rod. It started hard and then once moving went about 4" and went into free fall for about 4". It fetched up around the gas port and was a gentle push again. Then after a couple more inches it went back into free fall until about an inch from the muzzle. It required a gentle push to exit. All this was done after I scrubbed the bore with a new brush and clean cloth. It was spotless... I measured and I think it measured .224, it was a year ago... The rifling was pronounced. I suggest the bullet would start off fine and then lose it's tight barrel so it would come off axis and gain yaw. Once it does that it's going to yaw after exit...
As for handling, I found it clumsy, cumbersome and awkward. It's a*s end heavy and appears to have been designed by a junk collector. If given one, I'd sell it cheap and buy an old double hammer shotgun. That way you at least know what you have.
On the other hand, I could try Vincent or E303Ts Tavor and maybe will have a different experience. The owner loves it except it won't perform. By the way, I'm a dedicated Glock owner, a model 22...and a Beretta Storm in .40...so don't tell me it's just the Bullpup design.
Obviously a bad barrel. Maybe the chrome lining wasn’t kosha. SAR or X95 versions? If accuracy was that much of an issue with the Tavor, I don’t think it would have been as widely adopted around the world. You are welcome to shoot my SAR any time. It’s an early serial number and well used.
BTW. My SAR only likes 77gr.
That was one of my first impressions too. Nearly all the weight is at the back. It seems odd until you try it in its intended role, only then did the light come on for me. The majority of the weight is close to your upper body and supported, making the front very light and maneuverable. Once I got used to it, it’s one of the features I like best. Remember, it’s a home defense or urban combat weapon. I think of it more like an SMG than a real rifle.Quote:
It's a*s end heavy…
Spare parts availability is a big issue here. The Tavor is doomed here if they don’t fix that.
I love mine...
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NJ compliant guns are 18" without the bayonet lug. My FFL ordered a 16.5", pinned a muzzle brake on, and now I have a NJ legal SAR. If I'm getting a bullpup, I want it as short as legally possible.
Aimpoint PRO, Surefire Scout light, and Geissele trigger and trigger pack. The one thing I definitely recommend for the SAR is the Gear Head Works folding charging handle.
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Really cleans up the profile of the gun... and when folded, the gun doesn't have a kickstand.
That's where we are too. The suppliers aren't interested nor is the originator. He's hooped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
I'd have to show up with a truck full of various calibers, I'm sure we could empty them all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
That's where I am with my Beretta Storm, a PDW or headquarters gun...to be honest, I'd try the shorty BBL for sure...and see. The select version too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
And I'm not here to tell you what to think...just thought we should perhaps expose one that NO ONE has brought to light yet on this site, that I'm aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Screwball
Also, they're over $3000 CDN around here...seriously...
Very interesting posts and will get a pix up soon.
My son loves his and we are shooting 55gr Hornady FMJ, maybe it is my advanced reloading formula that makes his decent for accuracy...:lol:
It isn't as accurate as his SP1 IMO but he is satisfied with the results so far.
I will try to load some heavier bullets to see how it does one of these days. Think I have some 62 gr. but nothing heavier IIRC.
Jim, there is a military shoot (fun) in Vernon this Sunday, come up and I am sure he would let you use the Tavor.
Thing is, I'm not doing anything either...naw, I better not. Thanks anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by enfield303t
Here is the Tavor...X95
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This Tavor is in OD green.
The sling is a Savvy Sniper Sling and boy is it slick and I really like it!
Red dot is a Trijicon MRO w/KDG sidelok mount with a Trijicon MRO rubber cover. Handy when he fell on it!!
FAB Defence folding hand grip.
Inforce WMLx weapon light. That "x" cost extra..LOL
I've not shot a bullpup rifle yet but have handled 4 - the Tavor, the KelTec RDB and RFB, and the FN FS2000. Of them I like the RDB the most so far. Best balance and best fit for me. One downside to bullpups is it seems the gun either fits you really well or doesn't, and if it doesn't you are limited in options to change it. I still really love the PS90 but not it's ammunition.
One thing I do kind of like about the Tavor is that final assembly takes place not far from me, in Harrisburg... have looked at jobs there from time to time but too hard to work around a full time college schedule. Weirdly I see very few IWI weapons in shops here, when they appear they go fast. They have however kitted out the Capitol Police with Tavors, never heard anything about how it is working for them.
I was issued a Steyer '77 way back in 1980 on my second overseas deployment...and a Carl Gustav SMG. You guys might better know them as the AUG and the M45. I liked the SMG but the only things I liked about the Steyer was the optic had a circle for a reticle and it was perfect. The other thing was the magazine, it was basket weave and very well built. It was see through so you could count your ammo. Australia has been using that one without complaint for decades now...
I doubt they employ them much...Quote:
Originally Posted by cipherk98
I am unsure about Capitol PD but many departments around here do not have dedicated training areas and will use local clubs... there are also a few dedicated Law Enforcement training ranges around that I believe are shared, but either way word can get around about things. There was a vague rumor of issues at initial adoption but who knows the whole story or if there was even any truth to it, the entire circumstance of their adoption makes me suspect that very little to no tax payer money was spent on the guns so as long as they work now and will work when they need them it's all that matters. Must have been okay as a few months after adoption I saw a handful deployed in response to a threat against a college campus I happened to be on at the time, story for another thread.
I find the Steyer has a great cool factor! Would like to try one but seeing as I live in Canada would be impossible.
Have shot a H&H 416 and H&K MP5, both are great IMO, function flawlessly and good bang for the buck.
Most enjoyable FA I shot was a Lewis many years ago. My dad was a Lewis gunner in WWI and it was a treat to shoot what he used almost the entire war
I had an HK MP5 which was configured as the little PDW years ago. It had the folding stock. It was flawless. I shot the Lewis at the Wardlow AB full auto shoot back in '88. I had one issued to me in basic training to care for during our Regimental trooping of the color. Also there was a Bren and a #1 and #4 rifles, also a Sten. I took lots of time to handle the Lewis and Bren...while the rest of the guys went out drinking...
The Tavor did well today at the military shoot. My son was using it and got a 1st in advanced combat rifle.
That category is a military "combat rifle" that has a optic (max 4X), his has the Trijicon as in post #11. Did well and 100 and 200 and struggled a little at 300 as the targets were in a deep shadow, difficult to sight correctly with a red dot. Considering shooting against scoped rifles he is happy. We need to put a good scope on it and see what it will do.
He beat me, I placed 3rd with a AR, short loaded one mag one round which probably cost me a 2nd as IIRC I missed that by one point. Frustrating but my stupidity!
Appears I'll be up in Vernon/Kelowna on the 6th. I expect it to be 35 C then...was it warm today on the range?
Sounds like all went well over all.
Very warm at the range and I hope to go out again tomorrow.
Will send you a pm with my phone number as we have to meet if you get up here.
If you want we will show you our stuff.
PM seen and replied...