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Greetings fellow collectors! My eldest son recently purchased a 1917 BSA No . 1 Mk III* in very nice condition (say NRA Excellent). I would like to purchase him a bayonet in similar condition with scabbard and frog. I collect US martial pieces and I am completely out of the water as to where to start a search outside of Ebay. Any suggestions on sources would be greatly appreciated. Regards, H.T. Rea, Katy, Texas
Yes...simply place a WTB on the appropriate forum here and ye shall likely find... There's lots of US collectors on here that may have a spare.
You could try fellow member Brian Dick who may be able to help or advise you. I've just looked on his website and a 1907 bayonet is listed but I don't know if it's still available. You need to be careful if importing from outside of the U.S. to follow the rules but Brian may be able to advise you on exactly what the rules are.
I'd steer away from mint-condition bayonets, as repros are being sold in the USA
British WWI Enfield SMLE P-1907 Bayonet and Scabbard ima-usa.com
are you searching for one that fits and works or one that is era correct for your rifle?
ebay remains the the best choice for a working blade and scabbard but be patient.
I looked for 8 months to find separatly my era correct bayonet and the correct scabbard so be patient they do show up, however be prepared to pay. searched alot but both were purchased on ebay. found both here in the USA.
there is a publication that deals with and promotes the Military antiques industry
Its called
Military Trader
if you call this number they may be able to tell you where they sell the magazine at a news stand local to you.
866-700-2994
dont know if they are on line. Many vendors of Militaria advertise in it.
All you guys have to do to see where someone is from is click on the little blue button at the bottom of his posting box. It shows where he is, it makes less conjecture about where he is. Or, read the address he posted...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
He has a WTB posted now...
I fully realised where he was, Jim, and I wasn't in any way making any sort of conjecture or using guesswork as to his location. I have, in the past, purchased a couple of bayonets from Brian Dick in the U.S.A and he very kindly advised me of the rules and regulations regarding exporting bayonets out of the U.S.A. which I was not aware of. This prevented my newly purchased bayonets being seized and possibly destroyed by U.S. Customs if the rules and regulations had, inadvertently, not been followed. I would conjecture that as the U.S.A. has rules and regulations about exporting bayonets out of the country they may, possibly have some controls over importing them into the country?
Not everyone fully identifies where they are from.....for personal security reasons.
when it come time to close the deal those details become fully revealed between the two parties.
Think olsmithy was into bayonets as well he may have leads, e bay if you go world wide but read and look at the descript a couple of times so you fully understand what they are selling and whether it represents good value as some sellers want the earth for a hack others want squat for a sleeper like a Vickers or Mole then post pics here so others can help as the service/advice here is kindly donated by those with the experience.
My hunt still goes on for a Hookie which gets further from the pie as the years go by a K is the going price at present......
I have an Anderson And Pall Mall 1907 pattern and about 10 India Pattern blades I'm selling for a friend. PM me if you are interested in either of the 1907s or India patterns. I'm in the US so shipping should not be an issue.
One U.K. dealer was asking around 3 times the "going rate" for a Vickers 1907, @ nearly £300, recently which I considered a little too much for me.
Best to ignore the little blue marker BAR, it's pretty inaccurate, take my location for example, the IP address says Berowra, NSW.
But that's about 250k from my actual location of Scone, NSW.
OP. Try Stewart Military Antiques
http://www.stewartsmilitaryantiques.com/
It tells us you're from Aussie, not US or Denmark. That's what's important.Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
To all that have responded, thank you! You have provided several leads that I shall investigate. Best regards, H.T. Rea
What do people think about the reproduction 1907 that's for sale in the link, Post 4? Normally I don't care much for "repro collectables" but for the price being asked it doesn't look too bad at all to me. The markings clearly don't look right but apart from that, from the pictures, it doesn't look bad to me at the asking price. The advert clearly states that it's a newly made reproduction so there can be no confusion on that score and nothing to complain about on the grounds of being misled by the advert.
The original Post 1 clearly states, in his post, that he is from Texas which when I was at school is part of the United States of America. If I was unsure of exactly where Texas is and I wasn't aware of the purpose of the blue button and didn't feel inclined to look it up in an atlas I could have simply Googled "Texas" which would probably have told me that is still part of the U.S.A..
Flying 10 as per repros price wise at least right now the real thing is affordable still in the US, so repros don't interest me. I'd personally rather have one of the rearsenaled rearsenaled blades with over stamps over over stamps than a repro. Just my humble opinion in the market I am in. However I could see it in other markets if the real thing is out of reach. Only issue there though in a decade they will be marketed as the real deal I doubt the blade steel is as good but that's just a guess.
If your not fussed on a maker and just want the year date the rifle was produced then just go for an EFD one as they are fairly well priced as for the studs you can have 3 types small stud, tear drop or the large stud up to you but the scabbard needs to be in good condition if they are say a matched pair the scabb is dated the same as the bayonet then it may add a little to the price.
Forget early Lithgows as they will empty your wallet faster than the wife in a dress shop.
Hundreds of these bayonets are available in the UK from World Wide Arms. I'm sure that if you asked them they'd look for something that fitted the bill. It'\ll cost you of course but they're in business as opposed to a charity concern. And remember this. It will ALWAYS be cheaper yeaterday
According to my maps, Texas is just over the Qld border near Stanthorpe , I pass the turnoff regularly when heading north.:)
Yep, Texas use to be part of Mexico as every schoolboy knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by muffett.2008
Did you need the "Blue Button" to discover that it is now part of the U.S.A., muffet?
One would hope that the construction workers who build 'The Wall" along the southern border of the U.S. have access to The Milserps Forum and use the "Blue Button" to check whether Texas is currently part of the U.S.A. or Mexico. Otherwise the residents of Texas may find themselves inadvertently annexed to another country.
The Vickers made 1907 is one of the rarest and expect to pay at least £150 + in the UK, so a dealers price I would say is around £200 +........Mole is another rare one to look for, the more run of the mill ones are (not in any order) Chapmen, Wilkinson, Enfield and Sanderson can still be found in excellent condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
I bought a Sanderson many years ago which had the best blade I've ever seen, looked like it had come straight out the factory the grips and the scabbard let it down but with a new set of grips and better scabbard its an excellent example.
Its a catch 22 at times with bayonets with scabbards, everything outside the scabbard can look excellent but the blade is poor, or everything outside the scabbard is poor but the blade has been preserved with grease etc and is excellent.
The 1907 bayonet prices do seem to be going up in price, I've noticed recently, in the U.K. and the spare scabbards are getting less plentiful.
The 1907 seems to go up and down, the 1888 and 1903 have been a steady climber over the years. My collection has dwindled over the last year to pay for the L42 fund.
The one I am chasing at the moment is the Sanderson/Neubold they made the '07 together but the bayonets were only stamped Sanderson. (My initial spelling of the name was correct it was later changed to Newbould)
So what I gleaned from Skennertons book is they produced 1,600,000 '07 bayonets as Sanderson Bros & Newbould total wartime output and had produced by April 1st 1917 52,726 '07's then when they moved to Sheffield they produced a further 1,547,274 units therefore I am deducing pre-1917 Sanderson would be the one for me to buy but this is only my theory.
As for the others up until the end of hostilities production figures from Skennertons book I have indicate that 3 candidates are on the low side Vickers producing only 10,000 units due to how late they started producing them and their subsequent failure, R Mole & Sons 60,000 units and from what I am reading Remington Arms at 100,000 units
I have 2 x 1916 bayonets in my small collection J A C (James Arthur Chapman) and a Chapman of which the book indicates that total wartime production of 300,000 units also on the low side with only 116,025 units being produced post 1st April 1917 the pre 1917 figures placed at 183,975.
Ian does not mention when the change from JAC to just Chapman occurred.
Would the other side be marked with the bend test, "X" and inspection marks in the normal way?