Hi folks...im looking for a wood set for my 1917 BSA Enfield if anyone has any for sale or knows anyone it would be a great help
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Hi folks...im looking for a wood set for my 1917 BSA Enfield if anyone has any for sale or knows anyone it would be a great help
Place a WTB here or go on flea bay but be prepared to spend or pay a substantial price for them if its a complete set, even a set that is incomplete is going to sting......
My Q is what's the matter with the old/original set for you to need a complete set? If it just looks a bit tatty, take it from me that it can probably be restored with a bit of care and skill. The next Q is that can you actually fit a fore-end properly?
Definitely not a job for the amateur thats why if I have any issues with my bedding it goes to Ken Davis who has by now 40 years as a custom stock maker and has like Peter done squilions of them.
Agreed Cinders, it's a steep but enjoyable learning curve, very easy to mess up too!Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
Caution needs to be applied!
Yep, you're right. It could also be an expensive learning curve too. As apprentices we learned time and time again and totally ruined plenty of fore-ends before we got the knack. And even when we ruined a new fore-end, or butt or whatever else, we had to patch it - and then start again
I've done a few now, closely following the knowledge library here and taking it very slowly, the frustrating thing is being in the UK you can't bed and shoot straight away to see if you got it right, so it turns into a slow process...
The worst one I found to do was on my Springfield A4 build, I replaced the repro stock with an unissued Keystone manufactured example ....
That was a learning curve and then some, getting the bedding right on that was a right royal pain... Getting the barreled action at just the right height is critical (within a few mm's), or it won't feed properly, the recoil is horrible and it won't group for s***.
That took three attempts to get right, removing tiny amounts of wood on each occasion.
If I was a dealer I'd make sure that I had a 25 yard 18" diameter no-danger-area steel or concrete pipe range laid along the floor for accuracy testing. All firing from a simply made rest and............
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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
Having something like that locally would be extremely useful, its an hour to my local range. Can't really start amateur gun smithing there!
With the cost of wood and other parts needed to restore a sporter its not really worth it unless you start with a rare rifle to begin with. IMHO a 1917 BSA is not worth it. Quicker and easier to buy one in full military condition to begin with. They are not that rare in Canada
My first desporter was a 1915 LSA no star number III. Hardest part was trying to get the wood to match
The worse fore-ends I have fitted were the reproduction ones available in the UK until recently, most had to be patched because the nose caps was indexed a few degrees out of square.
Over the years I have accumulated a lot of Lee Enfield parts but am down to my last 7 fore stocks. Once they are gone I think that it will be uneconomical to even contemplate a restoration unless it is a rare bird.
Now they are held in reserve for restoring special rifles. When I first started I had a goal of restoring every rifle that had Bubba render his unique touch to that I could get. Now I cannot do that.
No1 fore stocks for $250 and front hand guards for $60+ really put you behind the 8 ball when you factor in all the additional costs for all the parts that are missing.
Simon,
I restored a Mk.V for a gent a few years ago using one of those forends. It was impossible to charge him for the actual time it took to get it right. I'd refuse to do one again.
This is a P14 stock that I've been working on recently for a U.K. deactivated Winchester P14 that came incomplete and fitted with a M1917 stock. One problem that I encountered is that someone had shortened the butt by removing wood from the rear of the butt stock, unbeknown to me when I purchased it on eBay. I found that the butt plate overhung the wood and rather than doctor the butt plate, I decided to add wood to the end of the butt. Since the first picture was taken, I have drilled into the wood that I added, through into the original wood, and then glued in oak pins in a number of places, 2nd pic. The new wood has been shaped to match the original and the repair is, in this area of the stock, is nearing completion.(not pictured yet) Yes I had to glue 2 bits of the same wood together side by side because the wood that I had available wasn't wide enough. I have also had to do a couple of other repairs to this stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
The purpose of showing these pictures is not to try and show off but to try and show what is possible for the average chap in the street to do in his shed who is not a carpenter by trade. I was intending to start a new thread on this project at a later date. I realise that this stock is only being used on a deac which makes matters a little easier.
There will be some further pictures of the completed repairs to the stock posted, probably in a new thread, at a later date.
Here are some further pictures of the P14 stock which still needs a little more contouring and fine sanding etc, etc.
Must have been exasperating at times...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
ive restored 3 guns so far..K98..Nagant..SKS all turned out well. K98 COMPLETELY stripped old Russian paint off and did bluing on 90 percent of gun. EVERYTHING but bolt
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My funny advice to use is furniture stripper. EXTREMELY fast at removing old finishes on gun and cleaned it right down to bare wood. Sanded it with extra fine steel wool and came out like new !!! Plus u dont have to worry about erasing markings or taking any wood off with excessive sanding. I had a ton of pics of stocks after done but gotrid of them i think after doing 3 guns
Springfield Sporters have "stock sets from India drill rifles. Most parts marked D.P" - $120 for beech Stock Set, Beech/Birch and $150 for walnut Stock set, walnut
thx for the help RobD
I have bought the above mentioned stock for a sporterized 1915 SMLE III ENFIELD equipped with a Volley sight. The problem is that those stocks don't fit properly there is no socket for the volley sight and they have the ishapore screw. They don't have a recoil plate, only a metal band.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobD
Regards
Kostas
About 20 years ago I obtained a No1 MkIII* (* cancelled) with original stock set. The metal parts were matching and in good condition (possibly after an old rebuild) but the wood had deteriorated/disintegrated to the point where the rifle could not be safely fired. I obtained a NOS Indian stock set from Numrich for about $65USD. The forend was marked DP but had never before been fitted to a rifle. It took many hours of fitting just to get the wood mounted and I know it would never pass muster with a British armourer. Your mileage may vary. I wouldn't attempt it again.
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very nice rifle u have there. Im a budget shooter who works miracles LOL
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ill post pics of my restore K98
why can i not uplaod my pics? thats odd had no prob before it comes up with red cannot upload sign. Its only less then 4 MB
Usually means pics are too big. Try trimming them.
Yes its a capture...yes i took the old crap Russian paint / tar / asphalt whatever finish off and refinished whole rifle which some people say ruins it ...and yes my rifle looks DAMN GOOD. Man oh man that finish they applied to it was HARD AS ALL HELL to remove.
Anyone wondering if just cheap Hoppes Gun Bluing you buy at Canadian Tire or Walmart works.... well there's your answer in above pic. Going on 2 years now in mild rain...mist... and snow while i hunt and that K98 of mine still shines !!! i have a genuine bayonet for it too did bluing on that as well all looks snazzy when put together
Cant wait to do the Enfield....IF SOMEONE CAN FIND ME A FOREND FOR GOOD PRICE DAMNIT hahahahahaha
Have you placed a WTB in that forum yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by mac2017
i think so, i have done a couple what forum was it again?
The sales forum... http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=100
GUYS SORRY ITS THE BRAND OUTTERS GUN BLUING NOT HOPPES I USED
Springfield Sporters has these.
Enfield #1 MK3 For Sale | WWII Gun Parts
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That's not bad, wonder how it will be once it comes across the border?Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlejohn
hi thx for picture post. They dont ship to canada :(