Possible Mexican 1936 Bayonet

Spent a good deal of time researching this one and the best fit seems to be Mexican although it is short at 277mm compared to the normal 387mm.

The birds head, the serial number placement and the circle z are all characteristics of the Mexican produced bayonets. My book shows it is used on both the full length and short rifles but does not say they were shortened for the long rifles.

If anyone can confirm one way or the other for a proper ID, I'd appreciate it.

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I thought that circle "Z" was an indication of Czech manufacture, possibly for export?

Circle Z is the BRNO mark for the Czech's but these are supposedly made by Mexico, not a Czech export. But as I am not 100% sure this is Mexican, it could indicate a Czech export bayonet. But they are almost all of the VZ23 or VZ24 types which has the short muzzle ring.

Anyone know what the circle "A" means then? Perhaps it was refurbished in Mexico with a taller cross piece being fitted?

All sources I've read said Mexico made these as they are not quite up to par for Czech manufacture.

I've got this one and although not exactly the same as yours it does have the tall muzzle ring/cross piece. This was sold to me, I think?, as Turkish but this hasn't been confirmed.

That is definitely Turkish. Has the ASFA mark on it.

I believe your bayonet is a Mexican Model 1910. If I remember correctly the example in my collection is marked Republica Mexicana. I thought I had some photos but they must be on my computer at home. The way the serial number is oriented on the pommel is 100% Mexican.

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Any markings on it? Looks to be in a fair better condition than mine.

I agree with Bill. This is a M1910. These were made in Czechoslovakia. The M1936 had a longer blade. M1936 workmanship was not as good as the M1910.

This is a picture I had on my computer. Didn't have any close ups. I'll have to dig it out to see what it has for markings. I know it has a serial number on the pommel.

The serial number placement is the same as the Mexican M1936 bayonet so I suspect that it is a M1910 refurbished by the Mexicans at their arsenal. This is the first short bladed one that I've seen. By the way the circle A and the circle Z of this type has nothing to do with Czechoslovakian manufacture. They are inspection marks used at the arsenal in Mexico. My M1936 Mauser has them in several places and it was completely made in Mexico.
Dan in Texas

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Originally Posted by scandiknivars

My M1936 Mauser has them in several places and it was completely made in Mexico.

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Could we see some pictures of your Mexican Mauser that includes views of the circle "A"s and circle "Z"s please?

The bayonet does not look shortened at least not 10" worth, that would have meant the original fuller was very very short on the blade, not something I have ever seen, although almost to the top isn't uncommon. Looking on my site this is the 1910 and mine has the circle z mark as well

https://www.milsurps.com/

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Carl, is it your understanding that these bayonets were originally made in Czechoslovakia or Mexico? Obviously, if originally made in Czechoslovakia it may have subsequently been refurbished in Mexico which may have resulted in additional markings being applied.

I thought they were made in Czechoslovakia

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Originally Posted by Flying10uk

Could we see some pictures of your Mexican Mauser that includes views of the circle "A"s and circle "Z"s please?

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I'm in the process of moving and it's already packed away. I'll look tomorrow and see if I can get to it easily.
Dan in Texas

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Originally Posted by scandiknivars

I'm in the process of moving and it's already packed away. I'll look tomorrow and see if I can get to it easily.
Dan in Texas

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OK, here is all that I could get with my phone camera. I don't have a studio quality camera or place to work so it is what it is. That is a circle Z under the rear sight. A circle B on the stock as well as the underside of the rear sight. There is a circle C on the front sight. A circle K on the left side of the trigger guard as well as the bottom of the receiver. There is a circle L on the bottom of the receiver and on the front of the front band in two different sizes. There is a circle V or A on the back side of the bolt root, I can't tell which one because it's stamped so deeply. There is a mark for the Mexican arsenal that consists of a liberty cap over an oval with F/NA inside that stands for Fabrica Nationale de Armas.
Regards
Dan in Texas