Sorry for the 2nd post in a row, I have a model 1884 Infantry trapdoor and I can't dislodge the ramrod. I can spin it in place, but I cannot actually remove it from the weapon. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
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Sorry for the 2nd post in a row, I have a model 1884 Infantry trapdoor and I can't dislodge the ramrod. I can spin it in place, but I cannot actually remove it from the weapon. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
'snowman' - You grasp the rod head and slightly bow the rod away from the barrel/stock. This allows the groove that goes around the rod to clear the spring/stud inletted into the stock ramrod channel. Then pull the bowed rod out.
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Thanks 'butlersrangers', When I reviewed it again, I have a completely different ramrod in there without the tab indent. Would you like pictures of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by butlersrangers
Then try a screw driver blade through the slot and pull. There's nothing holding it in...or do you have checkered thumb pieces there? If so then press them and pull.
Pictures of the problem Rod would help.
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Originally Posted by browningautorifle
I have tried that before I came on here, no movement there. And there is no button present thanks for the help though Browning. And 'Ranger', I'll slap some pictures up, just one moment.
That doesn't look like the correct rod, I know that doesn't help. That just means to me to look inside the stock(with barrel out) and see what magic has happened in there.
I was starting to imagine it was when I saw other pictures with different rods, I was holding onto optimism. Welp looks like I have to open her up then!Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
FWIW - Your ramrod looks like a Remington Rolling-Block rod to me. I would suggest taking off your trigger-guard to get a peek at the 'small end' of the stuck rod. What is preventing forward movement might become visible.
I took off the trigger guard to take a peak at the small end. There is actually nothing there, the rod doesn't reach all the way down. I guess I have to do the full stock take down like browning suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by butlersrangers
Just removed the stock and there is no channel that I can take a peak in?
Got it out after much work. I'll post in the morning, the rod has seen better days.
I just meant the barrel channel, I was half expecting you to find some retainer crammed in there by some well meaning forebearer...that was hobbling you. All's well in the end. Now, a correct rod...Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowman1510
I imagine bends in the ramrod, with rust, and pits, were hanging up on wood fibers. I'm glad you were able to get it out.
Just to be picky technical about this the rod that is part of the rifle model 1873 is a cleaning rod that could also be used to punch out stuck cartridge cases. Ram rods were used with muzzle loading small arms and the "trapdoor" was a breech loaded cartridge firearm. While I'm at it to glance at something is to peek, the crest of a mountain is usually referred to as the peak.
As with most of the posts on this and any forum images to illustrate the problem would have gone a long way to a solution.
'RT' - What's a little nomenclature error amongst friends? Clearing Rod, Cleaning Rod, Ramrod??? We knew what Snowman meant.
Official Nomenclature did not always strictly follow function.
Actually, the U.S. Ordnance Manuals call the device a "Ramrod". Strangely, the three-piece carbine rod was called, "Jointed Ramrod".
You are 100% correct about 'peek' vs. 'peak' and the value of photographs in solving many gun forum problems.
Now, I think I will go get my Colonoscopy!
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That was exactly it. Lots of bends in this one, I am getting pictures now.
Added photos: (I know they aren't the best quality, I am in a wee bit of rush to go out the door.)
First allow me to apologize for taking this thread off topic.
I have found in researching documents and manuals that the Ordnance Department officers that wrote the manuals often used popular or common usage terms for material items. So the published manuals weren't always "correct" in their terminology, but as you pointed out what's a little difference in nomenclature as long as we all understand the meaning. I object to what I call collectoreeze, I'm especially distracted with the substitution of "dog tag" for identity tag.
To go further afield with this the term "khaki" was never official nomenclature but after 1900 became common usage in many documents because of the popularity of the term. For the record the nomenclature for what is often called khaki was drab or olive drab.
For the benefit of all I shall now stand down and fold up my soap box.
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Sometimes, terms are specific to nationality and geography and slowly get adopted by other Nations and Armies. Khaki is a 'dust brown' color in Hindi.
Don't stain my "Khaki" you Thugs!
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There was sure a mitt full of School Carbines in that movie...
.... and 'Trap-Doors'.
The school guns, was the first time I'd seen them. I just couldn't make out, other than a Krag, what they were. Too short I thought, but they were a Krag. It took a while for me to figure it out. Then I see the movie after many years and the light came on...
Wonder what was holding it in? The Remington (and that is what it was) rod has a completely smooth shaft and normally screws in, but the TD (at least that vintage) does not have a threaded keeper. Must just have been dirt and crud, though that is belied by the fact that it spun - another TD mystery!
Rust and corrosion judging from the eroded sections.