Where did that come from! Insurgents last thought as a Canadian Sniper connected from 3400+ meters away, confirmed distance from another asset and other various means.
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-...ccae4dea6ba36b
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Where did that come from! Insurgents last thought as a Canadian Sniper connected from 3400+ meters away, confirmed distance from another asset and other various means.
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-...ccae4dea6ba36b
You mean this link surely, l trawled through so many bums and boobs l was getting bored :lol::lol: Record-Breaking Canadian Sniper Kills ISIS Fighter With Two-Mile Shot
For easier reading.... ;)
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Canadian sniper sets world record with 3,450-metre confirmed kill
The Globe and Mail Metro (Ontario Edition)
22 Jun 2017 by ROBERT FIFE
A sniper with Canada’s elite special forces in Iraq has shattered the world record for the longest confirmed kill shot in military history at a staggering distance of 3,450 metres.
Sources say a member of Joint Task Force 2 killed an Islamic State insurgent with a McMillan TAC-50 sniper rifle while firing from a high-rise during an operation that took place within the last month in Iraq. It took under 10 seconds to hit the target.
“The shot in question actually disrupted a Daesh [Islamic State] attack on Iraqi security forces,” said a military source, who stressed the operation fell within the strictures of the government’s advise and assist mission. “Instead of dropping a bomb that could potentially kill civilians in the area, it is a very precise application of force and because it was so far way, the bad guys didn’t have a clue what was happening.”
» The kill was independently verified by video camera and other data, The Globe and Mail has learned.
“Hard data on this. It isn’t an opinion. It isn’t an approximation.
“There is a second location with eyes on with all the right equipment to capture exactly what the shot was,” another military source said.
A military insider told The Globe: “This is an incredible feat. It is a world record that might never be equalled.”
The world record was previously held by British sniper Craig Harrison, who shot a Taliban gunner with a 338 Lapua Magnum rifle from 2,475 metres away in 2009.
Previously, Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong had set the world record in 2002 at 2,430 metres when he gunned down an Afghan insurgent carrying an RPK machine gun during Operation Anaconda.
Weeks before, Canadian Master Cpl. Arron Perry briefly held the world’s best sniper record after he fatally shot an insurgent at 2,310 metres during the same operation. Both soldiers were members of the 3rd Battalion Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry.
JTF2 special forces are primarily tasked with counterterrorism, sniper operations and hostage rescue. Much of the information about this elite organization is classified and not commented on by the government.
The unit’s snipers and members of Canadian Special Operations Regiment, who are carrying out the main task of training Kurdish forces, have been operating in tough conditions in Iraq.
The Trudeau government pulled CF-18 fighter jets out of Iraq in 2016 but expanded the military mission, which will see the number of Canadian special forces trainers climb to 207 from 69 in an assist, train and advise mission.
Canadian commandos are not supposed to be involved in direct combat, but are authorized to go up to the front lines on training missions with Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and to paint targets for coalition air strikes.
For operational security reasons, sources would not reveal the names of the elite Canadian sniper and his partner, nor the location where the action took place.
A sniper and his observer partner are often sent to remote and dangerous locations to hunt down insurgents while having to carry heavy equipment.
Once they have located the target, snipers follow the same methodical approach before each shot. Breathe in, out, in, out, find a natural pause and then squeeze the trigger.
Canada has a reputation among Western military forces for the quality of its snipers, despite the small size of the Canadian Armed Forces compared with the United States and Britain.
“Canada has a world-class sniper system. It is not just a sniper. They work in pairs. There is an observer,” a military source said.
“This is a skill set that only a very few people have.”
The skill of the JTF2 sniper in taking down an insurgent at 3,450 metres required math skills, great eyesight, precision of ammunition and firearms, and superb training.
“It is at the distance where you have to account not just for the ballistics of the round, which change over time and distance, you have to adjust for wind, and the wind would be swirling,” said a source with expertise in training Canadian special forces.
“You have to adjust for him firing from a higher location downward and as the round drops you have to account for that.
“And from that distance you actually have to account for the curvature of the Earth.”
U.S. Sergeant Bryan Kremer has the longest confirmed sniper kill shot by a U.S. soldier.
He killed an Iraqi insurgent with his Barrett M82A1 rifle at 2,300 metres in 2004.
Now guys, sometimes the PR Military headshed get beyond themselves, and this, to have worked, meant the perpetrator standing or sitting absolutely still for a good while, which we all know, they don't.
So many factors involved here not only the usual ones:
R- RANGE
I - INDICATION
D- DEFLECTION
A - AIM
C - CONFIRMATION
T - TIME TO FIRE
Deflection being the most important, where conditions such as wind/heat rise/dead ground etc using a Kestrel Wind metre or other make to determine these factors.
With the aiming point, then confirmed by the number 2 with any corrections to be made for a shot like that at that distance.
If he did it with a McMillan!!! now his name is out there as having done it, he better be consistant in future when others assess his capabilities..........well done if he did, but a great deal of LUCK must have been shining down on the firer thats all I can say.:thup:
We are talking a thousand metres more here!!!
Of course this subject is HUGE with my friends as it was my first regiment...and the shooter is affiliated... I agree with Gil completely, but kind of keep it to myself among them. Let them hero worship whomever they wish, GI Joe, Stretch Armstrong...Optimus Prime...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
Not that they are a highly trained in the art of hitting a target for all we know could have been an insurgent holding a pow wow or setting something up who cares just hope it was a high value target and it saved allied lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Sorry for the link Gil it was sent to me so I just CV'd it without looking at it my bad sorry:(
I found this list of a Top 5,
Record-Breaking Canadian Sniper Kills ISIS Fighter With Two-Mile Shot
Canadian sniper in Iraq (2017): 3,450 meters.
British sniper Craig Harrison in Afghanistan (2009): 2,475 meters
Canadian sniper Rob Furlong in Afghanistan (2002): 2,430 meters
Canadian sniper Arron Perry in Afghanistan (2002): 2,310 meters
U.S. sniper Brian Kemer in Iraq (2004): 2,300 meters
But IIRC There is a South African Sniper who is kept nameless, that may possibly fit in among this group.
But I don't know. Seen mention of him on Sniper Videos. Said he took out 2 at a machine gun position with 2 shots. 1 additional shot to destroy their MG. Don't recall the distance.
Incredible shooting by all..........
Imagine the (if any) survivors reactions.
Priceless.
Charlie-Painter777
3450 metres..........just think about that for a second, in Iraq temperatures, let alone the heat conditions on whatever round you choose.
The characteristics would have to be exceptional on that round and favour its flight tremendously, as it reaches terminal velocity and beyond as it falls, and stays accurate as described............ I find to hard to swallow.
I don't want to open a bag of nails here, but it sounds like a very lucky shot and good luck to the firer if indeed it happened, and its sad that anybody has to be named to hold a record in competitions held between nations in the coalition. Personally I would'nt want my name singled out. Its teamwork and a very specialist job where you want to protect your identity at all costs.
In the cookhouse is great, within the Battalion is great, but further afield you shoot yourself in the foot so to speak, and eventually it always comes back to bite you in the arse IMHO!!!!
I am wondering Gil if it was not one of those steerable 50 cal projectiles (They exist) lets face it with a 10 second flight time with variations as mentioned heat, mirage Coriolis thats what I would consider a sure fire way of hitting them.
The only other system that would have a chance provided the target stayed in view is the Tracker rifle using the same software etc that the fighter jets have once the target is tagged it goes red your cursor is blue (You have the trigger depressed) when they both line up your cursor goes red and it fires without further input from you.
The system takes into account barometric pressure, Coriolis, spin drift to obtain 1st round strikes. Apparently they have achieved 1st cold bores out to 1300+ meters but then its utube and can be edited to suit they have further developed the system now for the AR platform can be fired from a moving vehicle (20 mph) or hit targets doing 20mph the vid on this one is good to see as they at least follow the shooter.
US Military Testing self-guided Bullet - YouTube
3.5km.......... Mmmmmmmm, I agree with Gil.
Billy Dixon did his feat in front of several witnesses and it was officially measured by the corp of engineers . He freely admitted that no small measure of luck was involved .
If I had the choice between skill and skill with a bit of luck , I'd pick the second every time .
It's not that he could do it again as much as he's done it one more time than anyone else .
Chris
Having read the autobiography of Sgt Craig Harrison; it became clear that publishing the names of sniper's is a really bad idea. It caused huge problems for Sgt Harrison when he returned home. I remember seeing the news in the paper and they even told where he was from. I was surprised and thought it a really stupid thing for the press to do! Unfortunately the journo's only care about a scoop ot the life of the person in the story.
Luckily it seem's that writing his story has helped him back from a very dark place. Well worth a read if you have the time!
With regard to the latest scoop; is a kill shot really possible? What energy would be left in the bullet after 3450 metre's? What round does that rifle use?
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Originally Posted by 30Three
Cut from their own story... "The sniper used a McMillan TAC-50 sniper rifle"
30Three,
You nailed it.
Its not now, when the high fives are slapped with euphoria from all angles Military from your mates and the PR department, it is when the family or country of that person, seek the individual who pulled the trigger, who will then have to justify his actions, is when he will wish he was anonymous.....as he will find out he is all alone with no support, especially from the very same PR department who pushed his name to the fore.
" A snipers work has to be a silent art of warfare, not one to be idolised when political aims are failing!!"
Justify what actions Gil and to who! the do gooders that cry foul when the coalition forces take out an insurgent, the poor bl**dy snipers have copped it in the neck for years sometimes unjustly more so from an unknowing public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
They are highly intelligent and skilled persons whom should remain anonymous, keeping the pressure on that old mate who sneeks around at extreme range might not be as safe as they think they are, a good fear factor when his buddy just up and explodes when a 50 cal round tears him in half at a few thousand yards from any coalition post.
Give them all the support we can, as a sniper is a force multiplier not a dark person who does it willy nilly.
I am generalising................. from past experiences where many years later men are held to account, because their names have been published in this way.;)
A performance chart using a 750gn A Max if they were using that projectile but I feel they may have something even slipperier through the air the 50 round still has 2,843/Ftlbs of energy at 2000 yards as a guide one may fathom it would possibly still connect at the stated range with 1000/ftlb +- at the extremis 3000 yd shot.
First round kill shots at extreme range need to be grounded in terms of statistics. For this equipment combined with a talented sniper, what is the actual probability of a single shot hitting a man-sized target at this range? If it's one in ten (10%), then the successful shot is as much a fluke as anything. If it's nine in ten (90%) which seems unlikely, then individual success cases would be pretty much all down to excellent equipment and skill. For comparison, in 1945, the Germans determined that at 1000m, the probability of making a hit was three in five or 60% with a K98k based rifle. With regard to the present story, it would be interesting to know if multiple shots were taken from the building during the process of making the incredibly long shot or if, perhaps, the location had been used for days with loads of ranging and other data being gathered. Next time you're up in an office tower use google map to ID a location 3.45 km away and see what it looks like. Incredible!
Ridolpho
Gil makes and EXTREMELY good and absolutely relevant point in thread 16. Recent experience in the UK has told us this loudly and clearly. Lots of these things we did are all good fun when you're in your 20's but recent experience has shown that they have a nasty habit of coming back to haunt you many years later.
Personally, older and with the benefit of hindsight, I simply cannot believe that these people have allowed their names to be released............ simply mind bogglingly stupid
..............................and the enquiry is still very much alive too!!!
Luck of the draw, Penultimate skill, call it what you want. Bad guy goes down and the world is a safer place. The Canadian soldier did his job. Should he remain anonymous? It might be the wise choice, but some get drawn to fame like a moth to a candle.
He probably had little choice in the matter as the PR ball started its momentum!!
OK guy's, I have a question regarding the possibility of the shot at this distance.
I am not familiar with these type of rifles or the optic's being used; but I've been thinking about the physics of the shot and the point of aim.
Would you actually be able to see the target in the scope at that distance because of the amount of amount of elevation you would have to add on for the point of aim?
I ask this because in Sgt Harrison's account of his 2,4 kilometre shot; he mentions that he was aiming off so far that the target was barely visible in the bottom right of the scope. I was wondering if with another kilometre added to that if you may put the target out of the scope image to get a hit!
Tell me if this is a stupid question!
I believe that the system that they use has multiple rails for increasing elevation.
.......................plus heat haze, breeze, sand and other elements!!!!!!!!!!!!
Men doing fire and movement...time of flight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd