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On my way home from a 10 mile Trail Run I found a small Antique store. Found this Simson & Co. SUHL Bayonet inside and picked it up for $8.00 alone with a Axe Head for $10.00. Just now looking up what it is and looks like its for a Mauser. Curious why the company that name is in English rather than Germanic. Rather ruff condition but still kind of cool.
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I assume this to be in German, i.e. Simson und Co. (located at) Suhl but the "Co." could be an abbreviation of a name rather than standing for company as it does in English? The Germans like using abbreviations for words, for example, "UnterSeeBoot" is abbreviated to "U-boot" or "U-boat" as it is in English. A literal translation is undersea boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by usabaker
The bayonet looks like it's been cut-down from a longer one at some time.
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Originally Posted by Flying10uk
You could be right about the abbreviation, I'm still researching it. I don't think it been cut down though others I've found on the web look to be the same. Like this one....
https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/NzU...utiful-_57.jpg
Yes, the picture that you found on the web better show the fullers at "the end of the cut", where it is less deep. I can see this on your's now.
Similar to my Portuguese M1904 bayonet except the rivets are different (the M1904 has screws) and the end does look cut down slightly. Based on the fact it has a muzzle ring it is either a export model of Mauser bayonet, or it is a 71/84 bayonet.
Personally based off the photos I am guessing a 71/84 bayonet but others more knowledgeable will hopefully be along shortly.
Maybe its like that because of sharpening buy whomever owned it before. Doesn't it will be fun to restore just the same for $8.00 it will be a fun project. More then likely I'll make tounge and grove two part walnut handle so as not to have to cut the rivets off the tang.
This is a Spanish Model 1893. The early ones were made in Germany and looked very similar to the 71/84. The Spanish bayonet has a high muzzle ring where the 71/84 has a low ring. The blade has not been cut down; the fuller runs through to the point of the blade by design.
porterkids thanks! that's actually great news since i've two 1916 Spanish Mauser's (7MM and 308) thanks for the help!Quote:
Originally Posted by porterkids
The picture, posted in post 3, better shows how the fuller becomes less deep near the point of the blade because the cutter that cuts the fuller is stopped, during manufacture, before it reaches the end of the blade. Because the cutter is round in profile, the depth of cut of the fuller is less deep near the point. The same is true at the other end of the fuller near the cross guard/cross piece. The pictures in post 1 don't show this too well.
The use of "Co." is quite common in German, but is an abbreviation of "Companie" (old-fashioned French-style spelling) for a commercial operation, as opposed to "Kompanie" (modern German spelling) for a military company.
To identify your bayonet, go here
Bayonets of Imperial Germany 1871-1918https://www.milsurps.com/
and have fun looking.
You won't find it there, it's a Spanish bayonet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
If it had been used by Germany during WW2 it probably would have had it's muzzle ring cut off, leaving just "ears". I looked at a Czech Mauser Mauser bayonet that had had this done recently and I would have purchased it if the vendor hadn't "tarted up" the metalwork with abrasive paper, removing all finish.
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Are you confirming in this instance, Patrick, that the "Co." is an abbreviation of "Company" and not an abbreviation of a name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick
"Are you confirming in this instance, Patrick, that the "Co." is an abbreviation of "Company" and not an abbreviation of a name? "
Yes. Simson & Co. was established in 1856, and lasted until the 1930s, when the Simsons (a Jewish family) were driven out by the Nazis. The factory was renamed "Gustlhoff-Werke".
Thanks for the answer regarding the Co v Ko mark Patrick. But here's another totally off at a tangent - but similar. What does the GMBH mark after a company name in Germany relate to. Is this simnilar to 'and Co' or 'Co Ltd' or similar..... Thanks
As a matter of interest, the music teacher at my senior school was German, named Luft-Simson and related to the Simson steel dynasty but changed their names to a more anglicised Loft-Simpson
GmbH = Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung = Company with limited liability = Limited Company
That wouldn't work with this bayonet. The Model 1893 and 1895 rifles had a completely different bayonet lug than the 98 Mausers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
It does make you wonder how the second world war would have turned out if the Nazis hadn't treated the Jews the way that they did. The outcome may have been very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Chadwick