Canadian Longbranch No. 4 MK1* Low Round Count Value

New to the forum and looking for some advice. I'm considering purchasing a Canadian Longbranch No 4 MK1* which the seller (a shop specializing in mil surp) claims was acquired "from the factory" by an Enfield collector who bought a case of them. The shop owner picked up one and got it in the original mummy wrap. ... parts are nice and tight. Claims only 200 rounds down the barrel which is night and bright.

The asking price for it is $600, shipped. Is that a good/fair/reasonable price, assuming conditions above are correct? I have no reason not to believe the seller. I tried guaging it by looking on Gunbroker, but what kind of a mess trying to find a "matching" copy of this particular Enfield.

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Hopeful to hear back from experts on this as soon as possible...have a deal lined up but unsure. Thank you for your patience.

That does indeed look like a "low-mileage" No.4 Mk1*. And it has been through FTR = Factory Thorough Repair, i.e. totally overhauled and "as good as new".

I don't know your market, but over here, at least, the prices for No.4 Mk2s in that condition are now past 600 euros, with the result that Mk.1s, which are usually well-used and about half the price, are also increasing in value. It is certainly the best-looking Mk1 that I have ever seen - in fact, I will go so far as to say that a Mk1 in that condition is very much rarer than a No.2 in the same condition... and in a couple of years you may regret not buying it now (assuming, of course, that it has no hidden defects).

The seller is offering it to me for $600 shipped, to my house, since I have a C&R and I'm feeling like it is an opportunity I would regret not taking him up on.

The rifle was rebuilt and restocked in 1948 at Fazackerly in England. Is the gun supposed to be one of 20 from the "factory?" Which factory" The factories do not sell to civilians. The dealer's story is highly suspect. The gun is okay but not worth it in my opinion. I have some like it, so it is not a thing I have to have. Can you get that price the day after you buy it?

"Can you get that price the day after you buy it?"

Sorry, come again? I'm not following that comment.

The dealer purchased it from a gentleman who purchased a case of them. Are you saying that the rifle was made in Canada and refurbished in England? Sorry, I'm new to this.

That is correct. It was made in Canada then probably used by British forces. After the war these rifles had seen very hard use so they went through what is referred to as a FTR (Factory Through Repair) When this was done the guns were basically brought back to new standards. Stock, barrel replacement, refinishing, etc etc. This was done at the British Arsenal Fazakerly. I would look for a few things like stock markings if any? The stock looks as though it has been scrubbed of markings and refinished. Also check for import markings from a large distributor such as Century Arms (CAI or CIA markings) or Interarms (IAC). It still looks like a nice rifle. All of this stuff is bringing crazy money now. If it were me and I was waiting for a one of a kind Enfield to keep and retain it's value I would wait for a non FTR example but then again that's me. If your looking for a nice shooter, looks great than you may have found it. Just me .02 mind you. Oh and I also doubt the case of rifle story and always remember you are paying for the rifle not the story unless he has some sort of documentation.

Thanks @BruceHMX, I appreciate it.

So is $600 too much to pay for this rifle?
How much would a "non-FTR example" cost?

I'm just trying to get a fix on a reasonable price?

Thanks for your time.

Check with the seller on the things I mentioned. Then get back to all of us with what he tells you. Nice Enfield's non FTR'ed can be found for the same price as that one. I like a lot of these folks collect them but also shoot on occasion. As a shooter you would probably not go wrong. But the FTR would turn me off. I also look at re-sale value as other's have already mentioned.

I've tried to find "resale value" by checking on Gunbroker, etc. and just got pretty confused by the dizzying array of numbers, dates, etc. That's why I posted my question here. So far one person says it is a great price, others saying, "Nope, not." I send a note to the seller asking for more details and information re. paperwork from the person he bought it from. Seller has reported to me that it has all matching serial number parts, etc and I've seen the pics.

Will report back. Again, thanks.

If I could buy that, at that price here in NZ. I'd take his hand off. My view differs from person above. for me an 1948 FTR'd LB in great condition is a little rare so I'd buy it because of this.

You mean you would regard this rifle at $600 US Dollars to be a good price? That is, in NZ dollars, around $825 NZ.

That wood looks sanded to me.
For $600.00 you should be able to find a nice one, not that this one isn't. The stock is a little offputting to me.
1943 is the high year for production at Long Branch, by a LONG way, so for that reason it's a little less rare. The '48 FTR is nice.
Either way, it'd be a good one, but not sure you'd get $600.00 next week if you had to roll it.
I'd make an effort to visit every gun show within 200 miles for a few months and see what you find.

My 2 cents, nice gun but that is a high price as it is FTR'd however its your money. Works out to over $760.00 Canadian and I wouldn't pay that for it.

Buy the gun, not the story.

Prices for these weapons has gone ludicrous lately to say the least, as enfield 303t has said buy the rifle not the story it may have a low round count but I would be having a good look down the bore having everything nice and tight is that the screws or the cycling of the action :p
The rifle is not worth a cold dead dogs pie if the bore has not been looked after and that means after re registering it on the range after FTR it was cleaned properly to destroy the salts from the primers and subsequently the new owner (seller) has stored it correctly and looked after it.
Smack them around a bit say its been sanded and is a high production year offer them $450 smackers :dunno: and go from there as all to often people get caught in the moment shelling out more than they should but in the long run its your money you are parting with so only you can decide if it is ultimately worth that price as none of us here would like you to buy perhaps a lemon ask them if you can have some rounds out of it they can only say No........

I appreciate all the input. I declined the sale.

The point was can you get your money back if you have to sell it? I have seen things where a guy bought a gun for a large amount of money and later could not recoup his money when selling. Case in point, commemorative guns currently advertised in magazine. The set on tables for sale at figures lower than what the original buyer paid.

Some will say don't bother about price, if you pay too much it will be okay if you keep it long enough for the prices to rise. This attitude does not account for inflation and present value theory of money.

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I declined the sale.

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That's not a bad thing in this case. You can find another and you don't need to jump too hard or fast. They're around, you'll know the good one when you see it. Yes, buy a shooter for now that may be a little worn and older looking to get past the fever...then watch for the cherry. It also gives you time to learn about them.

I bought a similar one here in Italy for 700€. Never regretted it.

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The point was can you get your money back if you have to sell it? I have seen things where a guy bought a gun for a large amount of money and later could not recoup his money when selling. Case in point, commemorative guns currently advertised in magazine. The set on tables for sale at figures lower than what the original buyer paid.

Some will say don't bother about price, if you pay too much it will be okay if you keep it long enough for the prices to rise. This attitude does not account for inflation and present value theory of money.

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Thank you for explaining what you meant, makes a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

That's not a bad thing in this case. You can find another and you don't need to jump too hard or fast. They're around, you'll know the good one when you see it. Yes, buy a shooter for now that may be a little worn and older looking to get past the fever...then watch for the cherry. It also gives you time to learn about them.

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And I told myself if I want an Enfield I don't have to spend $600 to find a nice shooter grade. It's not like I'm going to buy it because I'm a "high end" collector, I was just interested in having nice one for fun and enjoyment. Your advice is spot-on what I arrived at when I fought the urge.

You are in Missouri. Take a trip to Knob Creek machine gun shoot in a few weeks. You'll find one there.
Then head to Louisville for the big show of shows and NGD. With 3,500 tables to look at, you'll find something there or on someone's arm.
Last year on the way out I met a fellow on the way in, who had a mint, I mean mint, 1950 Long Branch, and his price was $650.00.
He wouldn't budge, and I thought it was $100 too high. So travel with your 03FFL and have some fun with hunt.

If you go to Knob Creek, look up Brian Dick. He is usually there and will have some LEs. Email him at BDL ltd. and see if he is going.

If a mod wants to shut this thread down, that would be good. No point in beating a dead horse.

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If a mod wants to shut this thread down

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They just don't do that...much...

OK, that's fine. I'm just tuning out at this point, but talk among yourselves and again, thanks for the great advice and for talking me down off the ledge before I blew $600.

Let us know what you DO find...?

I've officially retired from the Knob Creek show.

I have one No.4Mk.1*, (LB 1945), just like it on the wall of my shop now, serviced and test fired with the targets. The only No.4 I have available at this time. The price is the same.