A Police issue L96A1 PM variant is being offered for sale at the Holts London sale to be held on the 21st of September 2017. Rifle # PM47141 lot number estimate £12000 - £16000 plus buyers premium.
Good luck but well out of my league....:madsmile:
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A Police issue L96A1 PM variant is being offered for sale at the Holts London sale to be held on the 21st of September 2017. Rifle # PM47141 lot number estimate £12000 - £16000 plus buyers premium.
Good luck but well out of my league....:madsmile:
had a AW version some yrs back cost my £5000 new, so accurate it was boring
I wonder what the actual cost for a rifle like say an L96, L42 or even say a Sniper T equated to without optics of course as I am quite sure the MoD would not fork out $16,000 GBP for a single unit.
Peter have you ever done a costing on say specking up an L96 I say without optics just a unit price to true them up bed re-barrel as I gather the defense force has access to barrels that are not for sale to the general populace be interested to here your thoughts or those of others that have worked in that sphere within the military turnstile.
Surely the original cost is academic. With most being chopped up, the rarity value of those on the open market means they will obviously command a premium. The early, non L96, PM variant that was for sale in the UK sold for £15k recently, so these prices are more than in the ball park, possibly even low given that most auctioneer estimates are deliberately low to lure in buyers. If someone wants one, and has the money, then it will sell. If two people want it, then it will sell for more. IMHO
Not sure an auction is the right place to sell it for maximum sale price
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So it isn't an L96A1, it's an AI PM. Auction details below, pricing probably the right ball park. I'm surprised, given the write up, that the Constabulary Gun Club was allowed to sell it. It's an early variant with the one off magazines made by AI, which are not available. It won't accept AW mags. Has the correct AI contract 2.5-10x56 scope on. Looks nice.
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Sale A0917 Lot 1113 - S1
ACCURACY INTERNATIONAL
A RARE POLICE-ISSUE 7.62MM 'L96A1 PM VARIANT' BOLT-MAGAZINE SNIPER RIFLE, serial no. PM47141,
28 1/2in. unsighted nitro barrel including muzzle brake, receiver mounted with a Schmidt & Bender 2 1/2-10x telescopic sight, serial no. 82458, aluminium and green polymer thumbhole stock with bipod and rear mounted monopod, adjustable buttplate, sling swivels, in its steel transit case with two magazines
Provenance: We have kindly been supplied with the following information regarding the rifle:
"Accuracy International L96A1 PM Variant.
This rifle was supplied direct to Durham Constabulary by Accuracy International in 1987 and was the first AI rifle to be used by Durham Police.
It was used operationally by Durham Police Firearms Department for six years and though in good condition does bear some minor marks of operational use.
In 1993 the rifle was given to the Durham Constabulary Gun Club where it was used sporadically in the following years among the gun clubs good selection of other modern sniper type rifles.
For the past twelve years at least, it has laid dormant and unused apart from its recent test firing and functionality checks prior to being offered for sale complete with original transport chest, bipod, Schmidt & Bender scope and two magazines.
The PM variant was supplied only to U.K. Police Forces and only 12 others have ever been released into public hands and due to a change in Police ACPO guidelines no further Police Firearms can be sold or supplied into public ownership.
This is a unique opportunity to acquire an extremely rare classic British Police Sniper Rifle in original condition and specification"
It is in nice condition. Been for sale elsewhere for over 15 months now at £20k or near offers, so probably why it's now up for auction.
If it goes for the £16k upper estimate it's going to cost the buyer £20k with the auction premium anyway......
At the current exchange rate GBP-Aus $20,000GBP = $32,605.12/Au + commission & getting it to Aus would see the thick end of 38-40K if I had that sort of money I would buy a 600NE Purdey the last consecutive pair I saw for sale some 6 years ago were advertised for $425,000 US dollars.........................yes they along with Holland & Holland make/made very tidy NE rifles
Was this the one with 'Bolt Open Classics'?Quote:
Originally Posted by desperatedan
I think they will be lucky to get 5 figures at Auction.
In 2010 I had one on loan from Donnington. The label read "small arms attractive" with a value of £1029.80p.
At the same time another loan a 40mm GMG was valued at £15,720.90p.
It's interesting that this isn't marked L96A1, I have one that has the same providence, but different Police Force made in 1989 but marked L96A1
Most of those ex Police ones just have ACCURACY INTERNATIONAL down the left hand side, because they were AI Precision Marksman Rifles (PM) hence the serial number designation.
Later ones (yours being 89) utilised L96 actions, probably because that's what was on the shelf, but will have a PM serial number. I'm guessing your serial number is 89PMXXXX
This is just an early Police rifle. Hence the Mags are one offs and it won't accept L96 Mags.
Maybe its just me and I don't have £15K-£20K, but surely the fact its void of any L96A1 engraving and therefore a PM rifle, would it demand the same high price as a L96A1. ??
I know its the same meat different gravy, but I'm just comparing it with say a WD BSA M20 and a post War BSA M20 same with any other immediate post war bikes, they all lack the WD and don't have a census number and don't demand the same premium.
It's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it. I'd say it's 'worth' £15k, if you had the money and a desire to buy one. They are scarce, no doubt about it, and this one looks in good condition, with the original Police scope as well
Roy, you are correct that's exactly what my serial number is. I'm pleased mine says L96A1 and accepts standard mags. I have noticed the difference between the bottom floor plates of some of my mags. Some have a protruding full lip the entire length of the mag and othe just have wing lips on the floor plate
The ones with wings are the later variant to aid removal.
Ok thanks
Just noticed Devizes gun shop have a 1991 PM for sale with POA
Did someone also note the weird P.14 fake sniper in the same auction? A crazy estimate at 2000-2500 GBP!
I see there is a Accuracy L96 in the upcoming Hermann-Historica auction in early November as well.
Ed
Sorry a bit off this threads topic but didn't know where else to post this. I thought this might interest those looking for a L96A1, sorry a little late though this offer ended last April. I ordered one........has anybody else or was anybody else aware of this re-run of the AW in 7.62mm. We had to put $ down to confirm order and apparently rifles are to be ready late fall 2017. I contacted AI before placing my order to see if any updates were going to be incorporated such as the 6 locking lugs on the bolts of their newer rifles as opposed to the 3 on the AW....no everything remains the same except the stock sides will be available.
Wait till I show up at the next Canadian Ranger shoot and that bolt on the AW just slickly slides back and forth at -40c and all the other Rangers are rummaging around in there snowmobiles looking for their gas line antifreeze to pour a few drops on their frozen bolts of there N04's!!!!! No just kidding that won't happen, we are allowed only to shoot our service weapons at matches.
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2.) FOLDING STOCK $395.00 plus shipping and tax
3.) PICATINNY RAIL $210.00 plus shipping and tax
4.) BUTT SPIKE $300.00 plus shipping and tax
5.) ADJUSTABLE CHEEK PIECE ( INCLUDED )
6.) ADJUSTABLE CHEEK PIECE ( QUICK ADJUST) $255.00 plus shipping and tax
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You are quite correct, I had a good look at it it's catalogued as a P14 sniper but just a VERY POOR copy, if someone buys it from the picture then they are in for a very nasty surprise especially when you add the buyers premium + VAT which adds the best part of 30% to the hammer priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Promo
L96? sold for £12000 + 25% commission and VAT, the seller will have to pay 8% +VAT so Holts did rather well. If it is the one that Bolt open Classics had for sale then they will be really pi55ed as I know that several people had offered a lot more than they are going to get.
The P14 "sniper" clone went for £2000 + commission &VAT but someone is in for one hell of a shock as it really was rubbish.
I don't understand how people get so carried away at auctions there was a Mosin Nagant PU scoped sniper in the auction valued at £500 - £700, it looked ok from the outside but the barrel was completely shot out and someone still paid £1000 for it + commission & VAT, why don't I manage to find these people!!!!!! :madsmile:
I'm pretty sure that was the BoC one but I thought they had it on a commission sale for the Police force whose gun club it was used by. So the tax payer loses again.....
The Tax payer won't lose, because the Club will be a private club. The money will go back to the club. The Rifle, these days, would be chopped up, so this is a good result. Pricewise, I'd say that is about the right price, with the commission on top. The last one of those sold for £15k, without the transit case and spare mags. BOC were greedy (or the price they were asked for was off the scale.) They also never answered emails and were vague about pricing when asked, so what goes around comes around. Whether you agree with pricing or not, they are rare, and the market determines the value. Someone got themselves a nice kit there.
mine or was
That's an AW isn't it? Different beast
Two reasons Paul, your too honest and you dont run an auction house.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Buccaneer
Problem with auctions is there is not much come back if you do end up with a melon, an example is Sniper rifles, as we all know they attract a lot of attention and a big premium, folk get highly exited at the words Sniper Rifle, but its the clever ones who look for a description such as "original Sniper Rifle" etc, you can argue till your blue in face on some things, if
the item description reads for example...... a Winchester P14 Sniper rifle, nice condition complete with scope......... then thats what it is, someone buying this example only to find its a compete lash up, then not much of a leg to stand on, if the description read "an original" then you have some comeback. I didn't see the P14 so can't comment but if Buccaneer says it was rubbish then that would do for me.
There was a P14 sniper doing the rounds a few years ago, I enquired as one does but considering it was supposed to be all original and come from an Armourer, I had my doubts when I seen the Phillips head screws holding the cheek piece on...........
Problem with auctions is the need to win...... like the compulsive gambler, how many of us watch an item on ebay and then go in at the last minute sometimes biding a bit more than we would normally?? or test the water with a decent price then at the end you can see it slipping from your fingers then raise your max bid ? although ebay you don't have the commission which is an eye opener to some in a live auction who get lost in the bidding war.
Always knock up a rough guide to what your max is and then put a rough figure of the commission next to it. I've an eye on a Motorbike in an up coming auction but the lower price guide with commission etc is a lot more than you would expect to pay compared to the same bike in a normal classified add..................
yes..
Old thread and apologies for its ressurection, but fired one yesterday, and as stated many times, it went through the same hole at 600 metres and it became a tad boring, but what a lovely engineered weapon.................in the end anyway, but the Army and the Police move on, with pace!;)
I always wonder who else is out there who will be making the next generation BRITISH rifle??
Don't matter Gil you stated it in one " it went through the same hole at 600 metres and it became a tad boring."
It will still do the business as their not required for a volume of fire but taking out high value assets doesn't have to be current issue to do that, lucky you I would love to fire one I missed out when the SASR boys came down from Swanbourne barracks with some of their toys at a shoot we held and the civies for a price could get behind them at 900Mtrs think they had a 338LM and 308 sniper rifles there plus some full auto stuff.
Times have changed and they are not allowed to let a civies have a go of their toys now after all the Army owns our range bugger........:bitch:
Everything is so well engineered these days, compared to when it first came out in service.
Still think the Parker Hale M85 would hold its own against it.
I have one sitting in Atlanta awaiting CBP clearance "as we speak". It's for a client of course. I would have never paid the price myself for it. Well past the point of ridiculousness IMHO.
I'm very happy with my SR98.
Just got one Brian in the UK, the scope is probably worth more than the rifle, but it certainly shoots lovely.
Perhaps its an age thing and the younger breed are fitter, but its a heavy old beast and one I wouldn't want to be on a sniper course dragging around all day:lol: