Saginaw Gear,It has a type one barrel band and adjustable rear site. Looks like it's been there since new. Is that possible? Thx.
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Saginaw Gear,It has a type one barrel band and adjustable rear site. Looks like it's been there since new. Is that possible? Thx.
Which Saginaw Gear? S.G. or S'G' ? If it's S'G' then the answer is no it's not possible. If it's S.G. then it's in the realm of possible but depends on the serial number.
The flip sight was replaced starting in 1944. Both Saginaw plants started making 'em in 1943(Saginaw in Feb. Grand Rapids in March.), but not likely as both ended production in early 1944.(Saginaw in April, 1944. Grand Rapids in January.) However, all 99.99% of Carbines went through an arsenal rebuild to put all the upgrades on.
Grand Rapids NEVER used the adjustable rear sight. Their contract to make carbines ended in December 1943. S.G. did use them starting in March 1944. Both the type 2 and the type 3 adjustable rear sights were used at the same time. There was a time difference at plants and in the field. When first used they were in very short supply. It eased up some when all but Winchester and Inland ended their production at the end of April 1944. It wasn't till May 1945 when armorers started to get the adjustable rear sights as replacements. That is when Inland had to revert back to the type 1 rear sight to keep production going.
Most all good input from members spending their time researching and trying to help.
But at this point we still don't know if it's a SG or S'G' ?
Seems like the OP could follow up on that question asked of him.
Or is it jut me ?
Charlie-Painter777
As stated second block of S.G.,not S'G' which was closed down. My S.G. is 1944 production,second block.ser.5858335
Jeep,Quote:
Originally Posted by jeep
Thanks for clearing that up.
I believe it could be very possible, being that late in SG's production. Maybe a case of using up what was left in the parts bins (like the early barrel band) along with a freshly delivered load of adj rear sights. Most all the makers used up what was left to complete orders. I'm sure others will chime in.
Thx Again,
Charlie-Painter777
P.S. War Baby by Larry Ruth states on page 434 that SG used both of the rear adj sights near the end production.
CH-P777
Thanks I will leave it as is,why change history.
What I see on charts for product on, March 1944 for last block of S.G.
Jeep,
Have any pictures you could share?
We are in dire need of some new pictures.
I don't recall ever handling a SG with that high of a Serial#
Thx
Charlie-Painter777
Send me PM your email,I will send pictures!Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Jeep,
Got your Email.
Then made a Desk Top File to move them to.
I then used my ole friends tips on loading pictures to Milsurps.
May I suggest you read this and give it a try.
Not that hard...... but I'm not that great when it comes to computers myself.
Here's the link (Very Handy)
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=28752
Charlie-Painter777
I got the carbine at Camp Perry C.M.P.some time ago. M.E.1 barrel reading. Thanks for posting pictures!!
So would this be an example of post war re-arsenal? 8-43 Underwood barrel, Saginaw S'G'. Blue Sky imported back home from Korea. It does have the post war flip safety.
S/N: 3236410
I think it probably is. Are there any of the original markings left on the stock, such as in the slingwell, pistol grip, CC on the RH side, or rebuild marks on the LH side in front of the slingwell? That Type II rear sight has different markings than what I'm used to seeing. Is that a paper shim of some kind under the dovetail? The metal may have been refinished, possibly by Blue Sky after they received it back from Korea. The s/n being restamped seems unusual to me, also. Wow, those pictures are big when expanded! - Bob
PS. - You probably should have started a new thread, but I've been guilty of the same thing when I've had questions closely related to an existing one.
USGI,
First I'll start by apologizing, I didn't mean to hijack the post. Now for the stock, it is a replacement I bought from www.keepshooting.com for 35 bucks shipped it does have a rack number and a p proof on it though. The original stock was an M2 that bubba sanded into Oblivion, so thin it started to crack under recoil. I believe Blue Sky reparked some of the Carbines that came back in, the barrel is difficult to read because of it. I assumed that's why the serial was restamped. It is the original number when I look below the restamped. Again sorry I didn't mean to hijack the post!
Edit: The shim is some sort of light thin metal that has been folded.
The carbine was rebuilt in Korea. The rear sight is marked TI on the right side? If so that is for Tong Industries of South Korea. A rear sight made in Korea as a replacement. It may have been used by Blue Sky here when refinished.
Jeep,
Did you add the flip safety ?
And may I ask if the stock has any markings?
Seeing the fit of the recoil plate makes me wonder if it's marked RSG or IR in the slingwell.
Thanks
Charlie-Painter777
https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....3&d=1506284055
Yes added flip safety, mag well says R.S.G. ,P on pistol grip. Hand guard R.S.G
Sling well ,I mean in stock where oiler is says,R.S.G. stamp.