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Italy? Looks like pack mules in the rear.
For the U.S. Army in WW II, transportation of supplies, equipment and personnel was almost entirely based on motor vehicles. However mules continued to be used in certain circumstances for their ability to negotiate rugged terrain inaccessible by vehicles. Mules could negotiate jungle or mountainous terrain that no horse or vehicle could traverse. In North Africa, the mountains of Italy and jungles of Burma, mules made a significant contribution. Locally obtained donkeys and burros added capacity to Army mules shipped from the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by ed skeels
Ed no note on this one but I am sure you are correct - Italy
A common misconception, it persists to this day in the western USA. Yes, four footed beasts are a great way to move stuff and people in mountains but mules aren't better than horses. They were initially used by the US Army because they were cheaper than horses, and being hybrids were not susceptible to certain genetic diseases found in poorly bred horses. I am a horse owner and have ridden and packed horses in MT in the high mountains. They are every bit as sure footed as mules, and actually easier to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester
Yes, though there was something about mules the military liked, strength or stamina or something... I agree horses can be just easier to deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by us019255
This came from a hunting web site - I think the point about beer tips things in favor of the mules
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I have used both for many years nothing can even come close to a mule's capabilities in the back country. The mules have numerous advantages over horses. Number one is they are a lot smarter than a horse. This trait is often mistaken as being stubborn by people that are not as smart as a mule. It also makes most mules harder to break to be a saddle mule, or a riding mule so to speak. I mean what animal in his right mind is going to let you cram a chunk of steel into their mouth and then let you get up on his back and kick him and jerk the reins ? This makes breaking and training of mules more difficult and accordingly more expensive. Another huge advantage is all four of their legs are the same length unlike a horse which has those weird looking short front legs. This makes for a smoother ride with a mule. None of that pounding you get from a horse especially on a down hill trail where the lack of length in horses front legs is intensified and really beats you to death. One example of this is when you are packing beer, If I am using a horse to carry my beer via saddle bags or wrapped in bundles or boxes and hitched to a saddle. The beer taken off the back of a mule can be opened immediately for drinking where the beer taken from the back of a horse after a days ride has to settle or it's going to spray when you pop the top. The mules also have a much smaller, narrower hoof as well as it is harder. This combined with the balanced legs allows the mule better footing in tuff rocky terrain. Also it makes for healthier hooves, less splitting and other related troubles one has with a wider hoof such as a horse has. I am assuming you may also not only want to ride this animal but possibly pack him as well. When it comes to packing the mules stand alone. When a pack animal has loads tied to it's back the animal becomes wider and at times taller. A person might not give this much thought but adding 3 to 4 feet of width effects clearances along the trails you choose to ride. Mules don't bump loads on trees like horse do. This saves the gear you may have in those loads from the abuse of being beaten into every other tree along the way as well as saving damage to your packing gear.
Wonder if they gave the mule ear plugs for the back blast...:p (I know it would have been dismounted.)
Here is another named Francis.
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No chance at all that you could fire it like that, the back-blast would cook the mule's head. I was OIC of a 106mm RR range, when we had visitors we used to stack a pile of empty ammo crates 30 yards behind a gun and fire it... splinters!
Those were no joke, you had to sweep up the excess powder after and burn it too. We fired from concrete pads usually and would have residual chunks of propellant around...Quote:
Originally Posted by bob seijas
If you approach riding in that manner, you will probably get what you deserve either from a horse or a mule. While the bit is a useful tool for communication with an equine, it is not necessary or even desirable in many cases. Look up hackamore, and bitless bridles. Many of my distance riding friends use them for Endurance rides where they ride 50-100 miles in a race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester
I have heard many campfire tales about the "superior intelligence, sure footedness, etc." of mules. These are usually followed by another tale that starts like "remember the time George's mule shyed and fell to its death over the cliff?"
Ride or pack all the mules you want I will continue to win 50 mile races on my Arabian horses . The proof of this is the Tevis Cup Endurance race. 100 miles over the mountains from Lake Tahoe to Auburn CA. It must be finished in <24 hours. Over 90% of the finishers since 1955 have been horses, not mules. Look up some of the photos of horses going over Cougar Rock.
Maybe it was because mule tasted better than horse...they preferred them.
But was the beer ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by us019255
FM 3-05.213 (FM 31-27)
JUNE 2004
Headquarters, Department of the Army
MULE CHARACTERISTICS
2-1. Mules are the hybrid product of a male donkey and a female horse
(Figure 2-1, page 2-2). Male mules are called johns and female mules are
called mollies or mare mules. Mollies are a cross between male donkeys and
Belgium horse mares. Mollies generally have a gentler disposition than johns.
Intelligence, agility, and stamina are all characteristics of mules. These
qualities make mules excellent pack animals. Unlike horses, which carry
about 65 percent of their weight on their front legs, mules carry 55 percent on
their front legs. This trait makes them very well balanced and surefooted in
rugged terrain.
Seems these stories are not limited to MulesQuote:
Originally Posted by us019255
Mare Dies in Accident at Tevis Cup Endurance Ride
Posted by theandbetween on August 7, 2009 · 7 Comments
A mare named Ice Joy fell to her death at the Tevis Cup Endurance Ride in Northern California. The horse was being led in hand by owner Skip Kemerer of Maryland when she apparently stumbled and fell down a slope. A report at the Tevis Cup website’s Google group states that she suffered a fatal skull injury and died on impact.
Penryn horse dies in Tevis Cup race
Animal had to be euthanized after fall
By: Joyia Emard and Matthew Kimel, Gold Country News Service
A Penryn woman is mourning the loss of her horse that had to be euthanized after a fall during the Tevis Cup 100-mile race last weekend.
“The horse fell, not far off of Cougar Rock and sustained a serious neck injury. The rider was not injured. A veterinarian attended to the horse. The horse’s injuries left no option but to euthanize. The Tevis regrets this unfortunate accident; however, it was just that – an accident.”
During the days of mule trains the Army actually had soldiers trained as muleskinners that were responsible for packing and transporting supplies when the unit was on the march. When the muleskinners got new, untrained mules into the unit they very seldom had time to train them properly to be effective members of the mule team. So the new mules were interspersed with the trained mules during the march with the muleskinners watching their new stubborn charges closely. Because of one untrained, stubborn, do your own thing mule could ruin the entire train the muleskinners would shave off the hair around the tail area so the new unruly mules could be spotted from behind and possible trouble could be averted.
Because of their resemblance to the new, untrained. stubborn mules who would do their own thing, brand new 2nd Lieutenants were referred to as "shavetails".
BEAR (BDY)
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