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Morning Gents,
A pal back home in the UK came by a Peddie target sight for a Long Lee. (Made by Vickers)
He sent me it with some odds and ends at Christmas, only requesting I send him what I thought it was worth. (!) Cannot find a value for one of these. Can anyone help with value of such a sight? It has windage adjustment as well as fine range adjustment up to 1700 yards.
Marked Peddie, Mfd by VSM Pat 04/08.
Any help most appreciated!
Richard.
Any chance you could post some pics? It would be a help if I could see what it looks like, as I'm not familiar with Peddie sights.
I believe it's this one. Found a pic on an archived auction site. I saw one on ebay a year ago sell for around $250 (US dollars). So I guess that would be the top end of the market.
Good lad, SMLE Addict!
You have saved me the trouble of trying to post a photo. Thanks for that!
Yes, it is this sight exactly.
Thanks again,
Richard.
Its the old adage Richard "What a person is willing to pay" I like others have seen stuff on that site which should have sold for pennies but a bidding war starts of showing who's got the deepest wallet and the only one who benefits is the seller I have also like others seen expensive stuff go low ball there is also the supply & demand arena as well
Thanks for that and I agree Cinders.
So where should a bloke be with a sight like this?
The rifle has a new -to me barrel and I think it will shoot. The old barrel was Badly pitted end to end, and wouldn't seem to shoot better than about a 75 score at 100 yards.
(Bullet also fell the first few inches up the barrel from breech.) New barrel all shiny and tight.
If you could let the forum know what the rifle is,,,some pics would be good as well then the guys with the hands on can help.
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I believe we need to use a host for posting pictures do we not? I don't have an account with any and usually post direct from computer. If this is possible I will try and add photos.
Rifle is a Canadian Long Lee by BSA , dated 1896. The fore-end is cut just in front of the mid band. The barrel I have now is a commercial BSA for a CLLE with a windage adjustable fore-sight and the hole through the ramp to afiix the sight protector.
Knox form is marked twice, "K&H" (Not H&K) Any ideas on this?....it came from NZ.
I would use the rear sight off the original barrel, (sight base is present) but it requires a taller rear sight and likely had the windage adjustable CLLE sight which Is taller then the standard sight cap. With standard sight cap I need 500 yd. elevation to hit on at 100 yards. (Trying close to Mk V11 ammo, but understand Mk V1 was the ammo at the time)
Don't really Need a target sight, but would like to try the Peddie out.
Rifle has all the 'good bits" inc. volley sights front & back dust cover and cut-off. Needs the right mag though.
Also got a nosecap from NZ for if I decide to re-stretch the fore-end.
Richard.
Few more photos with old barrel fitted;
Richard, you could say that designed sight has come full circle:)
John Taylor Peddie was a prolific sight designer, originally an Insurance Broker he later worked for the Canadian Sight Company towards the end of the 1800's, if you eyeball some of the early Sutherland Sights from Canada, you can see his design influence.
By the end of 1903, he had moved to England and taken up employment with Vickers Maxim where he became Manager.
His patent 13,500/09, the sight you have, was registered in all the major countries and along with other successful patented sights of that era, proved very popular, until superseded by later designs.
As to value, as Cinders says, whatever a collector is willing to pay, but I would say a base of $200
Thank you for the interesting reply, Muffett!
Yes, Does appear to have come Full circle. I had not found any info on Peddie, and very little on the sight. As you say, I now see similarities to the Sutherland.
Thanks for the idea on the value as well. Very kind of you.
Question if I may;
How in hades do you use the peep aperture on this sight?? As in, how do you even See through that tiny pin-hole when it's half way down the barrel?
Do you know if it was used with a different type of fore-sight?
Of course, if I clag it on the rifle some of this may be self explanatory..
Thanks again Muffett and happy New Year!
Richard.
Due to "barrel harmonics" ,the vibration of the barrel when fired in a rifle sighted for MkVI ammo needs 600 yds elevation to hit POA at 100 yds when using MkVII ammo. Nothing to do with trajectory but depends on when the the bullet leaves the muzzle if the barrel is vibrating up or down. This discussed in "Textbook of Smallarms 1929" pg 53-7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Hare
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How do you use a tiny peep site mounted half way down the barrel? With great difficulty.
Seemed to be a fad at the time. As well as the Sutherland MkII sight the US M1905 sight had the same tiny aperture on the M1903 rifle.
Thanks for the reply and information, Green.
It's a while since I tried this rifle, so it may have been 600 to hit POA at 100. If I try the Peddie, I'll need a notebook for figuring sight settings for sure.
I'd rather use the 215 gr bullet, but flat -based 174 -180 are a Lot easier to find.
Good to know about that tiny aperture as well! With my older eyes, the aperture looks oval anyway.....
Will keep you posted re. how we get on with the Peddie.
Best regards,
Richard.
Hands across the sea from the USA. This is a HathiTrus.org permanent link [their words not mine, if it fails word search using the below listed info] https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015084574212 to Engineering Volume 88 in which are two articles mentioning Peddie sights [Photo to be found on Engineering page 78 Hathi page 150; pagination is different between the two]. The second article on Engineering Pages 751 & 752 [Hathi pages 911 & 912] styles itself "Engineering v.88 July-Dec. 1909. Dec. 3, 1909- ENGINEERING. THE PEDDIE-CALICHIOPULO SIGHTS FOR SMALL ARMS AND MACHINE-GUNS." and is the more interesting; it goes into pretty good pictorial detail as to how this sight system worked. No idea on the value on your sight. However, Peddie obtained both British and American patents on an aperture front sight quite derivative of the CALICHIOPULO SIGHT, and there was the Marble's V-M [Vickers-Maxim] aperture front sight that was somewhat popular from ~1915-~1945 from which time scopes ruled the earth. Lot of cross-pollination goin on there.
The Springfield similarly used a tiny aperture halfway down the barrel, so it was a [wrong] idea which had some acceptance at the time.
John Taylor Peddie was my grandfather. You seem to know a fair bit about him. I am a bit hazy on hos early years in Canada, so thanks for filling in a bit of that.