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Overall condition would seem to indicate that this rifle spent some time in India. It is not remarkable other than the low serial number and characters used, broad arrow/RE/00902.
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Overall condition would seem to indicate that this rifle spent some time in India. It is not remarkable other than the low serial number and characters used, broad arrow/RE/00902.
That must be the new invisible paint they trialed years ago, it was a failure as stuff kept getting lost or tripped over:madsmile:
A similar model
I seem to recall reading that the P14 at first did not have interchangeable parts, would this have been one of those rifles (and without a * on the receiver would it still be one of those rifles?).
Eaglelord-- The P14 never really achieved any compatibility of parts between the three manufacturers without some degree of hand fitting. The meaning of the * on the P14 denotes that it is a MKI* which has a larger locking lug on the bolt and the barrel has a recess machined to take the MKI* bolt. A MKI bolt will fit a MKI* rifle but a MKI* bolt will not fit the MKI rifle. Remington and Eddystone rather quickly adopted the MKI* bolt and barrel. Winchester took their time to impliment the MKI* mods. I have a Winchester well into the 100,000 range without the MKI* mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaglelord17
The star as symbol for not interchangealbe parts can be found on the M1917 rifles. The had the simillar problems with the parts compability between the manufacturers and an additional problem: For some rifles at the beginning of production even the parts of the same manufacturer are not complete interchangeable. This rifles got a star as symbol for the problem.
Not mine (and unfortunately sportered), but I have seen an even lower number. Not sure if the broad arrow is gone due to being sportered, or if they started marking it with a broad arrow at a later point.
Melanie-- I am a bit confused with your statement. The asterik * on the Pattern 1914 denotes the modification to the MKI* specification with a new bolt, barrel and extractor. Each of these parts will have an asterik * on the part to show that it meets the MKI* specification. The encircled star was a Winchester inspector's proof mark on the Pattern 1914. On the Winchester M1917, the encircled star noted that the rifle passed the compatiablity test and the parts were interchange with the Remington and Eddystone rifles.. A letter was sent out by General John T. Thompson to Winchester and Remington, Ilion, NY that a encircled star would be placed on the left side of the receiver next to the US Ordnance mark to denote the compatibility of the rifle. Even though the encircled star is found on the Winchester M1917 none have been noted on the Remingtons. The Army at that point started to use the date of January 1, 1918 as a date for compatiablity and shipment of all brand M1917 rifles to the AEF. Like anything when the bad word gets around its very hard to get rid of. Winchester complained about the "discrimination" of their rifles to the Adjutant General of the US Army.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melanie_Daniels
I have Serial #00811, which has also been to India. Probably first or second day production, and appears to have spent much of its use for Drill Purpose, as the heel and toe of the stock have been repaired. Bore is V/GD condition though, and is a good shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
My understanding is the first 100,000 rifles were sent directly to India. Probably to replace No.1 MKIII rifles which were the primary rifle for the British forces elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakester
I didn`t speak about the star in circle. I found four early Eddystone and one early Remington (9-17 to 12-17) with a star without circle. In this time the problem was that only 95 per cent of the parts were interchangeable. So they marked the rifles with not interchangable parts with a star. The Winchester problem was, that only 80 per cent of the parts were interchangeable with the others so that they marked the weapons with interchangeable parts (star with circle). That is the information I got from a guy who worked with General Crozier.Quote:
Originally Posted by fjruple
Wow that's neat. My understanding was that no Eddystone or Remingtons were observed with a star. Would have pics by any chance? Thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melanie_Daniels
--fjruple
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I notice that the RE is directly over the serial number? Does anyone have any idea when Remington moved to the RE in Oval over the chamber?Quote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
--fjruple
Curious, Is 00902 rebuilt and in a MKII stock sans volley sight and marking disc or is it a restoration in a M1917 stock?
I have a question. I have a P14 with long range sights
Ser no 98193. The only date I can find is ‘16 on right side of chamber.
It is marked ERA above the number.
What do I have?
Pattern 1914s don't have a date on the receiver like the Lee Enfields. ERA is a maker marking for Remington's Factory at Eddystone Pa. Other than this, I don't understand your "What do I have"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guard
Sorry I wasn't clear before, but I'm new at this. The rifle is a P14 with all the sights in place.. I'm not sure what a fatboy stock is. I took some pics but they are on my iPhone and I haven't figured out to send them.
The ‘16 is under the chamber on the lower left side.Quote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
On the left reciever rail is a broad arrow stamp and what appears to be Britt.
Acceptance marks.
Sorry if this is poor form but I’m new at this.
You are right so far. Fat or perch belly stock was unique to Eddystone.
Thanks, what else should I look for? Maybe I bother too much, but I’mQuote:
Originally Posted by breakeyp
not used short answers, I’m a talker.
Originally the rifle would have a IE, IR or IW in a roundel on the right side of the stock at the butt. If it isn't there, the stock was sanded.
The roundel is in place IR with 1914 under. All the parts have the serial numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Promo
The two things that may be off is the front sight and the magazine follower, which has been
Filed to ease manipulation.
Thank you