Morning all, I spend yesterday reading up the specs of the M27 rifle.
I have to say, it looks about the perfect service rifle, great choice for the Corps.
It seems to be the pinnacle of AR design.
I wonder if the US Army will adopt it too?
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Morning all, I spend yesterday reading up the specs of the M27 rifle.
I have to say, it looks about the perfect service rifle, great choice for the Corps.
It seems to be the pinnacle of AR design.
I wonder if the US Army will adopt it too?
They are saying no to it at the moment. Going to make their own they say. No more 5.56 or 7.62 and no more brass. Looks like it will be 6mm'ish plastic cased ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
For what it's worth...again with the non brass ammo... M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle - Wikipedia
I suppose they could make a decent poster regarding re cycling, "Turn your plastic bottles in to bullets"Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Bit like the old, Pots and Pans for planes.
Pots And Pans For Planes (1940) - YouTube
Turn your plastic casings into bottles...Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
The HK 416 is the Mercedes Benz of AR technology. They run very cool with the piston system under sustained fire conditions compared to a direct gas M16/M4. I handled and fired one once several years ago and was impressed but the truth is, I've never had a problem with the direct impingement system as originally designed by Gene Stoner. There are less moving parts and the weapons will run just fine with proper cleaning, care and lubrication. There is a bit of a stink about what the USMC M27 will cost the taxpayers too. I think to the tune of $1100-$1200 per unit.
Not really cost effective when you consider the losses anticipated during the first hour of an assault. Remember guys, the first rule of the Gum't when purchasing isn't best...but cheapest... I'd be surprised if the sun doesn't set on this horizon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
The Corps seems fixed on the M27 guys and with US licensed manufactue ( that I am sure our Uncle Sam will insist on) they should be able to bring the cost down with expanding orders.
With its HBAR profile, a shift to a different intermediate caliber wouldn't be an issue, providing it was conventional brass and not some plastic/caseless hybrid...
To be honest, I personally don't see much of a point. The reality is the rifle is just a very small part of what actually is used in combat for kills, and practically I don't think you will notice much of a difference between the M27 and a Vietnam era M16 (condition being equal). You need a serious advancement in rifle technology to gain any real advantage in infantry weapons and we haven't really seen that since roughly the 1950s/60s.
For the fighter funds whether Spitfire or Hurricane did not matter gave the populace some purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
I shot a 416 a few years back. It is a amazing firearm, flawless operation and wish I could own one but alas never going to happen in Canada.
Bit like a Ruger 10/22, whatever you do to it its still a 10/22........... any AR15 variation is really just that, The M27 would give a better sustained fire up to a degree I guess due to more robust gas system but thats about it, The amount of times its needed wouldn't give way to a total re arm plan for all forces.
I've changed a lot of gas tubes on the L119A1 and to be honest they have had some hammer but the cost of a new gas tub is probably peanuts compared to M27 Gas system parts.
As mentioned its all down to cost......