Nazi HP35 (real deal?) Pics

Hello folks

I recently traded an Old Model Ruger Blackhawk for this Nazi HP35.

These pics are all I have of it.

I've never seen the real deal before so this is a bit of a gamble for me.

This is what the seller told me about it

"When you look inside the barrel you would think that the gun was never fired. I have never had any feeding issues with this pistol either.

This pistol was manufactured by prisoners under supervision of the Nazi's in Belgium so the finished of the weapon shows milling marks in certain places. Round count is hard to say, so I do not know, but the pistol looks near new.

The pistol comes with nazi stamps - eagle is engraved on the frame - but not the magazine or holster.No lanyard ring on her.

Serial number is 34854 and WAa140 is stamped on the frame.

Inscription on the slide:
Fabrique Nationale D`Armes De Guerre
HERSTAL-BELGIQUE

'MR' is engraved on the trigger guard and The letter 'C' under the gun (on
the frame) back of floor plate magazine."

So with that information can any of you good chaps clarify that this is indeed a FN - Nazi model of HP35?

Here are the Pictures:
http://rodandgun.sslpowered.com/cgnpics/nazi1.jpg
http://rodandgun.sslpowered.com/cgnpics/nazi2.jpg

Riflechair
www.riflechair.com

I doubt the grips are original. Have seen a number of German HPs over the years, and have not seen anything like these before. The FN plant operated during the occupation period. I do not know that the workers were prisoners; although I'm sure that being a Belgian working in a German supervised arms plant would not have been a particularly pleasant job. The frame serial doesn't seem to be clear. Was it scrubbed, or is it just the photo? I do not know what pattern of serials was used on occupation Brownings. Machining marks could certainly be expected, depending on when the pistol was made.
FWIW, at one stage, magazines for Polish Radom pistols are reported to have been manufactured in a workshop in the Warsaw Ghetto.

The pics are far from conclusive, but it mostly looks OK. The grips MAY be original but that crude checkering on them is not. Replacements shouldn't be too difficult to source.

It is a dead ringer for one a friend of mine used to own. I do believe the grips for that era gun (mid to late war) are black plastic with pressed in checkering,H.T.H.-SDH

Ya the grips worry me a little.
Looks like a home made set
Even looks like they varnished them while still attached to the handgun.

There is a good chance that this model does not have the magazine safety. Ther Germans apparently saw this as needless Belgian safety concern and did not duplicate it. Personally I agree.

The WaA 140 BHP which I had did not have a mag safety. The trigger was mfg without it.

Supposedly the WaA 140 inspected guns (being late war) were more subject to sabotage than the other inspectors.

The actual serial ranges of the German occupation guns are well known, it should be fairly easy for you to find on the internet.

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The trigger was mfg without it.

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What is MFG?

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Originally Posted by Riflechair

What is MFG?

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MFG = Manufactured

Regards,
Badger

Grips on the war time FN manufactured pistols that were Nazi marked were normally a dark brown colour. I have seen one pistol with black grips, however I suspect they are replacment. You should be able to tell if the grips are home made by looking on the inside of the grips. Being made under german occupation, they will probably have a number, either stamped or written on the wood inside of the grip. Quality of finish on the inside should also be a hint...

The serial number is 34854 and I do not know its manufacture year. Serial # is the same on the barrel , frame and slide.

I suspect she is a late war model.

My bet 43 maybe 44. The real late war guns were very rough and also believed to be somewhat un-safe with hi-power ammo due to bad heat treat. I can't verify that, but, thats been the roomer for the last 30 years. Yours does not appear to be quite that late.SDH

is the FULL serial number on the slide, barrel and frame, or is the complete serial number on the slide and a partial number on the barrel and frame ?? I've seen them both ways....

The frame displays the full serial number but the slide and barrel only show the last three digits of the serial number. Why does this mean anything specific to you?

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Originally Posted by wheaty

is the FULL serial number on the slide, barrel and frame, or is the complete serial number on the slide and a partial number on the barrel and frame ?? I've seen them both ways....

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The pictures are like conclusive, but it mostly looks OK.
The grips are original but that crude checkering on them is not.
Replacements shouldn't be too difficult to source.

I have one, all original. There are no markings whatsoever on the (wood) grips, can't tell you much on the black plastic grips. There were black grips made for them, I'll provide you w/ contacts for more info on them. As I understand, the serial numbers started out strictly numerical, later they added letter blocks on them. Mine for example is serial number 48359a, which makes it a late 43, early 44 model. You'll have to look very closely, the stamps they used for the letters were very poor and usually people miss them entirely if they don't know what to look for. I looked around and found a forum specifically for the Hi Power and was referred to the email below for definitive information. Gentlemans name is Aaron and he's very helpful on these.

neveragain18@sbcglobal.net