Found this at a local gun shop. Considering the price I figured it wouldn't hurt. Anyone know about it?
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Found this at a local gun shop. Considering the price I figured it wouldn't hurt. Anyone know about it?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...6/vmxgky-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...6/fm4277-1.jpg
Never seen it. What is the price?
It was 5.99 after my discountQuote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
Woah. Yeah, I’d probably buy a few boxes at that price and I have more 30-06 than I have time to shoot right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by improperlyaged
Probably wouldn’t put it in the Garand without a little more info. Does it say anywhere who actually put it together?
Nope. I bought half of what he had which was 8 boxes and left the rest for the others there. That is literally all the info I have on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
Fired up the ol’ google in between beer sips.Quote:
Originally Posted by improperlyaged
Looks like this was made by a firm called Talon. They bought directly from the military under contracts that stipulated they break down the ammo to components. They then turned around and reloaded. From everything I found, it’s apparently loaded to M2 specs but perhaps loaded a bit slower. So if any of that second hand information is true, it should be fine in a Garand...and of course any other 30-06 you’d like to put it in.
That is Talon pull down ammo. They had the contract to pull the ammo down. They would pull the bullet, remove the powder and then remove the primer. Then they installed a new primer in the fully pulled down brass, placed the powder back in and then seated the bullet back in. Paid by the government to do the pull down Then bought the parts at very low prices and reloaded the ammo and sold it. Cried all the way to the bank with this one. It was good shooting ammo. I think the company only got the one contract from the government and that was it.
Awesome! Thank you sirs!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
I bought a 500 round can of bulk Carbine ammo a few years back that was very similar. I still have some of it, it's all the same headstamp - either LC 71 or LC 72, but can't remember which. Looks just like other LC of the same period, except for very faint "pull" marks on the bullets. The vendor told me it was done either by HSM or BVAC in Montana. Same deal, bought surplus from the government. I was told: "Rules stated not to be resold unless pulled down and redone". I don't know whether the ammo I have reused the same powder & primers, or not? I can't see any difference in the primers at all. It shoots fine - I have 350 rds. of it left. - Bob
Also sold by CMP.
Wolf ammo seems to raise a thought between the 2 probably nought to do with each other just something sprung up, I think Wolf ammo used steel cased stuff and was pretty hot loaded. Probably got it wrong.
Wolf ammo being Russian is not worth the price for use in USGI rifles. The steel case if used in a Garand or in a carbine does not seal the chamber properly. This allows a build up of carbon in the chamber and if not watched and cleaned often leads to problems. Plus the Russian powders are very dirty and in the carbine the bullets are undersized a little bit and are 100 Grs. not the standard 110 Grs. I personally would not use steel cased ammo in any weapon not designed for it. Russian weapons are designed for it but not one USGI rifle or handgun ever has been. Broken extractors happen quite a bit with steel cased ammo. No matter what anyone may say. Steel is steel and is not brass no matter how soft the steel is.
Bruce, is this something you've checked personally? I've used Wolf Carbine ammo in the past and agree with your post, except for the bullet size and weight. This was 5 or 10 years ago, but the Wolf bullets at that time were close to an exact match with early 70's LC Carbine bullets. I pulled down one cartridge each from the Wolf, LC 71, and LC 72. The LC bullets both measured .674" in length, weighed 106.9g and 106.8g, and were .308" and .309" diameter. The Wolf bullet was .673" long, weighed 106.8g, and was .308" in diameter. Just yesterday, I pulled bullets from several WRA '44 M-13 dummy rounds - those weighed 110-111 grains. For the later LC cartridges, the specs for the bullet weight is 108.0 - 3.0g - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
Bob, Wolf finally had to change the printing on their boxes to reflect the 100 gr. Bullets. A friend who tried the Wolf awhile ago pulled a couple of rounds as he was not hitting the target where he should have. The bullets were.306 to .307 diameter. The box was marked 119 gr. bullets but the rounds were 100 gr. He did say that the powder even had the look of being dirty.