Our undertanding from the Culvers was that Guntalk would continue as a "Cracker barrel" environment. Now I see "Moved" on some posts; what's cooking?
Our undertanding from the Culvers was that Guntalk would continue as a "Cracker barrel" environment. Now I see "Moved" on some posts; what's cooking?
Maybe it was that post about NAFTA / trucking.
Their rules, their ballpark, etc.
Hello Loius.... :)
Yes, it is open forum, for Gun Talk, os the description states, a "forum for general conversations about guns", as in the ones that go "bang". :lol:
We've received a significant number of complaints from other members that content unrelated to guns was being posted amongst other forums, including this one. Upon clarifying the intent with Gloria, we've been asked to try and keep the forum content relatively focused on the forum titles and text defining what should be posted within them. It sure makes it easier for people, or we might as well just have one large forum. :madsmile:
For example, the 2nd Amendment, Political & Off-Topic forum is intended for discussions about politics and the 2nd Amendment, plus OT (off-topic) material that doesn't fit elsewhere.
The moved threads that were originally posted in the Gun Talk forum have not been deleted, but may be found in their entirety in the 2nd Amendment, Political & Off-Topic forum, as that forum was where topics of that content nature were meant to be posted. The moved placeholder is designed to be a guide to help people who originally started reading a post in one forum, to easily be able to click on the link and go directly to the thread and continue reading it.
Im sure there's posts that are borderline and could be relevant to either forum, so if there are any of those that you feel are "mission critical" to be placed in a specific forum, we do apologize. Let us know and we'll move them back if appropriate... :thup:
We'd appreciate everyone's cooperation is helping us maintain some common sense guidelines..... :cheers:
Dear CSP Admin,
I believe the confusion is resulting from the fact that on the 'old' (like 3 weeks ago) "Gun Talk" was indeed the " Cracker Barrel" which we all used to sit around and discuss every thing under the sun, yes even guns some times.
Dick had made it quite clear on numerous occasions that what was "Gun Talk" was a "Cracker Barrel Forum".
Hence our confusion here at the new digs (I too believed that the old rules were still in effect).
So hopefully you can understand why some of us post off topics threads in Gun Talk and forgive us until we learn the new rules.:sos:
But be patient as we "old dogs" have difficulty with new tricks.:banghead:
KTK
Ken, you are quite welcome over here when you want to talk about non-firearms related issues. Since I really enjoy a lot of your posts, especially the one about your recent trip to the US, I would be delighted to see you post more on "our" forum.
Well as much as I love my guns and everything related, I COME HERE TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD THROUGH THE FOLKS WHO MADE GUN TALK SURVIVE THIS LONG.
WHAT GET POSTED IN GUN TALK SHOULD STAY THERE....PERIOD!
May I suggest you go to the upper right corner of any forum screen and click on the UNREAD POSTS link, directly below your user name. When you do, this software spits out a list of all new posts FROM ALL SUB-FORUMS based upon the time of the last post. As a result, little things like where the post resides no long have so much meaning. Everything recently posted is available, and it is very much like the old "cracker barrel" format.
Bob
PS. Mmmm.. According to Internet proll caps is shouting. All caps with red font is rabidly shouting. All caps with red and increased font size means everyone around you have flecks of spit on their faces. To quote Dan Akroid in Ghostbusters, "I feel so... funky."
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I guess I asked the wrong Culver..... :lol:
Now I know what the old expression about the "messenger" means ... :bash:
Just so I'm clear on what the "rules of engagement" should be, as originally established by Dick, but differing from Gloria's last direction .... :dunno:
The Gun Talk forum should really be titled Gun Talk Cracker Barrel Forum, for the free-for-all posting of everything and anything a member wants, including political material, OT (off-topic) content of any sort, or whatever else .... end of message... full stop ... period?
.... and the Political forum was also set up and made available to post the same political content as the Gun Talk forum ... correct? If so, what's the point of that forum? Shouldn't it just be deleted and everything dumped into Gun Talk since there's virtually no difference to the content in either place? :confused:
Finally, where should I tell the members to post, who have been asking for a general forum to be able to discuss "guns", instead of only having that ability to post within the genre type forums? Create another forum called Real Gun Talk?
Next time I call Gloria, I'll ask to speak to "The Major" and see what he'd like to do, but these folks are pretty beat up right now, so how about some guidance from some of the "silent majority" members as to what they'd like to see? If you'd rather send PM's instead of publicly post, I understand and that's fine too....
Remember, these are YOUR forums, not ours and although there's obviously CSP members who would rather be elsewhere, we are doing the best we can to be polite and courteous good hosts, while you're community is temporarily visiting here. So, I'd really like to see you guys get what you want if we can implement it, as long as it's signed-off by the CSP ownership (Gloria and Dick).
Appreciate the heads up and clarification Ken... :beerchug:
This is the Second Amendment and Political Forum and we've always been pretty free wheeling about what's posted here. Jokes, politics, the Second Amendment and whatever else comes along. That's the way it's been and that's the way I hope it continues. Face it, the people on this forum and the other forums generally have included people from the other forums. It's the same people so why would the format change?
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Reminds me of the story of the librarian that got so peeved by all those pesky readers coming into her library messing up her exquisitely organized shelves....that she closed it!
Try to remember why we're all here in the first place, and the wisdom in attempting to fix what ain't broke!
I have been coming to these forums for ten years. The "open" forum for cracker barrell was very nice and in the beginning agreeable to all. I hope it stays the way that Dick set it up.
Sam
Temporarily?.... What? What? What?Quote:
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Is there something we don't know?
Phil
In the past postings were very "Across the Board" in nature, allowing almost anything in reasonably good taste to be posted. I noticed many times that members would refer the poster to a more appropriate forum, being more related to the topic introduced. Often the poster would move to the appropriate forum only to find that most of the responders were not moving with the poster, and staying with the thread on Guntalk. Most of the time the thread would continue on the new forum.
It seemed to me that to a certain extent the members were controlling the content of the forum, though occcasionally the Major or the Swede would admonish us and compel that the thread be moved, but that was a very seldom almost never occurrance (well, maybe a few times a year).
The content of postings seem to be directly related to happenings in the news or what somebody had ferreted out of the Bills introduced in the various legislatures, including our Federal Congress. Since it seems to be of curent interest, most of the time, I see no problem with continuing business as usual.
Gyrene OFC
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First thing is that I thank you for giving us a home and will play by your rules! But I would like to go into the history of this forum. When Gloria started Gun Talk it was one big forum that covered everything, but mostly M1's. The 2nd Amendment forum came into being when an anti-gun type started posting and the discussion was overwhelming Gun Talk. If I have time I read the Second Amendment Forum and post to it, but I read this forum first. If Gun Talk was held to miscellaneous gun items, there would be two-three posts a day and the forum would die. However this old dog will play by your rules.
Bob
I always enjoyed the gun talk thread the way it was before CSP closed and came here. It always had lots of different topics/subjects not just gun talk. It not only was a learning thread about "you name it" but entertaining as well, Ray
My feelings have been that Gun Talk was a catch all of current happenings that posters wanted to get the word out quickly. I for one always log on and and read Gun Talk to see what is generally happening and get the feel of the subjects for the day. Then I go onto the specific forums of personal interest to me.
As posted above Gun Talk has been informative on a varity of subject matter, a bullentin board for me and I would presume the same for many posters. It has provided alerts that I would not have seen after I finally call it a night after reading intently those forums that are of interest to me. You nor I can read them all, but I know I have spent as much as 4 or 5 hours in front of this screen on some nights until 2 am since I have retired and enjoyed every bit of it. I personally would like Gun Talk to stay the Cracker Barrel. However, if the rules should change so be it. I appreciate all those that contribute to these forums and I believe that the listed Topic very much explains the content. At times the posts have been known to go off topic but that again is what makes things interesting between the posters involved. We can either join in on it or start another post.
I hope that I have not stepped on anyones toes being more a reader than a poster over these last 9 or so years in giving my opinion. I believe CSP to be the best of the best because of the contributing posters and I would hate to see it change. Sometimes change is needed but as we can see what it going on in our govt., change is not always for the better. Again, my opinion.
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I hear you guys and thanks .... :thup:Quote:
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However, I don't think anyone has picked up on the original point, which was to try and help out a whole bunch of members who felt they were being thrown under the bus.
Dozens of emails from members who aren't necessarily comfortable in the public spotlight posting their concerns, but who simply want a general forum to talk about guns. One member summed up the sentiment simply, by saying "cant you put all the BS cuttin&pastin politics crp that we dont give a dam about in one place?"
So, we asked Gloria and she said just delete stuff that's posted in the wrong place, but we felt it was a better idea to simply group the same content all together under the forum it was set up for. Now we hear for the first time that Dick wants it to be "Cracker Barrel" forum. :confused:
Anyway, enough said.... so, with apologies to both Louis and those members who sent emails wanting their voice heard, I've put all the posts back they way they were, including the duplicates spread across multiple forums. :cheers:
Whenever Dick and Gloria can get here (the sooner the better for us), they can address what they want to do with this specific issue and on a broader scale, what they want to do with their CSP community.
In the meantime, we'll continue to try and do our best to be good hosts .... :)
Just to elaborate, as I recall the Major's last definition, paraphrasing, he said that the threat to our 2nd amendment was so severe that anything political could be posted in the Gun Talk forum so it would reach the largest audience. Gun Talk used to be the "one forum" you mentioned, all the others were spun out of here.
I like to think of this as a bunch of gun enthusiast having a pleasant conversation in an open setting. When no one has a gun question, we chat about whatever is on our minds, and since many share the same values here, most of the time everyone enjoys others stories, and learn that we are a very diverse group. We learn many things from each other.
As to the gun questions, that is the main purpose of this forum. They are usually answered very quickly, so just let us fill in the idle time amusing ourselves.
I hope that explains 'Gun Talk'
Moderator, do you mean to tell us that we Jouster CSP mugs will only be here for a short time, and that someday we will be foisted off into the Ethersphere of Lost Forum Folks?Quote:
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The World Wonders?
Thank you and please tell Dick and Gloria we are looking forward to hearing from them.
Bob
Louis of PA. Here is my take on what has been happening and why we are at milsurps. Again I must state, this is my guess and I do not have any facts to back it up.
From what I have read, Dick and Gloria are in difficult time of their life due to health reasons. The old CSP board was going down the tubes due to spam and the age of the system. I have read several times that Dick and Gloria made arrangements for us here rather than shut down CSP completely. Several times I have seen the word temporary used. I can therefore think of several things that can happen. If and when Dick and Gloria get on their feet they have plans for a complete new system/program format. Or, if they find that they are unable to do so, they made arrangements for the possibility of a new home for CSP here.
Although I have also read that the Forum belongs to Dick and Gloria and also said it was the posters forum and we could run it as we wish, and changes or no changes would be OK'd by Dick and Gloria, I take it that we are still guests of Milsurps until told otherwise. I make that assumption based only on what I have read and I could be off base. This is my conclusion and I thank those associated with Milsurps for their generosity, the welcome mat they have rolled out and assistance given to me and others new to this format.
I repeat, it is only an opinion and conclusion.
And Louis, I don't know how you are finding all of the articles/stories you are posting. You seem to be the eyes and ears of the internet funneling the info to us. Any chance of your being a retired investagative reporter? Good Job in my opinion and I welcome more.
I was looking at the list of forums and descriptions of same from this sight and thought the following copied directly from that source would be relevent to the subject being discussed.
"Gun Talk
"Cracker Barrel" forum for general conversations about guns, politics, OT (off topic), or whatever ..."
that does not seem to indication limitation of only to firearms
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Thank you for enlightening me that the Dick & Gloria connection remains with us, though in much altered form. I respect their founding of the Jouster Forums, and admire their persistence.
Life comes at all of us at one time or another, but it's sad to learn that it's been coming at them pretty harshly these days.
I recognize that these new Milsurp hosts (and hostesses?) are doing a fine job of accomodating us unruly mugs from CSP Jouster. This format has some advantages, especially with regard to type formatting. The CSP Forums though, had a unique appeal in that I could easily see the responses stacked below the original post, along with who posted them. Also, the type size of the headline and text was much larger, important to me.
It also made it easier to post my periodic photo-historical essays, as I did with my aunt Jane's photo album from her duty as a nurse at base and field hospitals in France during World War One, and later with my Normandy visit, and my ride just last year in a B-17.
These windows for posting here are pretty dinky, and so I always enlarge the type face of my postings. And, this new GunTalk is laced up pretty tightly to meet their SOP. It had been a great place to find or to post topics of varied interest; weapons, history, political, humor, news and the like; truly "Cracker Barrel".
Your kind comments about my postings are very much appreciated. I've been a reader all my life, always interested in World War II history especially, as well as other military topics.
On the old GunTalk, someone was always interested in reading such things, and when I do visit or photograph stuff of interest, I generally know that some of it will find an audience on GunTalk. Because I knew there were many Vets on the old GunTalk, I drove into the city to visit and photograph the Vietnam and Korean Memorials in Philadelphia, specifically for posting there.
I'm not a reporter in the sense you asked; I am in industrial marketing and advertising, a field where attention to details is vital, coupled with the primary need of being clear, and, where possible, supporting the story with graphics.
I doubt I could stand being a "reporter" today; journalistic standards have been supplanted by ideology-driven propagandists, with some notable exceptions. But if this recession continues - it's hit my clients very hard - I might apply for the job of writing speeches for The Big O's TelePrompter.
Below is a portion of Aunt Jane's album, in case you missed them on the CSP 1903 forum.
Thanks again for your nice comments.
Louis of PA
British tank in ditch
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...lepage7B-1.jpg
Aerial view dead in trench Verdun sector
I have no idea how she came to have this photo. There was an aerodrome adjacent to her hospital, and perhaps one of the pilots gave it to her … or gave her a ride over the trenches; who knows.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...unsector-1.jpg
Biplane
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../page49C-1.jpg
Battle of Vimy Ridge explosions
I’d love to know how she came to have this photo too.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/page53-1.jpg
Bombed church in Rheims
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/page5B-1.jpg
Burial service
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../page51A-1.jpg
Honor guard firing salute
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../page51B-1.jpg
AEF cemetery Brest
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../page13B-1.jpg
Louis,
Thanks for the post.
There's got to be some truly interesting stories behind those pics.
Thanks again,
Phil
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I appreciate your comment.
My Aunt Jane McNulty (great aunt), came from Scranton; that side of the family came over and dug anthracite coal. Somehow got hooked up with the Flanagans from Philadelphia.
She became a nurse during a time when "nice" middle class women did not do such a thing. In 1906, she hopped a train for California and helped out victims of the earthquake that destroyed San Francisco.
In 1917, she joined up, got commissioned and, in 1918, sailed to France, to serve in various hospitals until the end of the war.
I regret not having the opportunity to learn more from her. But perhaps she would not have wished to recall those days; the flu was raging and killed more of our troops than we lost in that war; it also killed my mother's mother that October; no church services, no public gatherings of any kind, and coffins became unobtainable.
I'm having a devil of a time posting the links; some sort of glitch either with Photobucket or with MilSurp, but here are a few more. In future, I'll try to post more of that story, with photos, probably on the 1903 forum since this stuff is no longer SOP for GunTalk.
Regards and thanks,
Louis of PA
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Our Goldbricks
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../page17A-1.jpg
Ward interior showing Christmas decorations
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../page18B-1.jpg
Hey!! What do you mean "she" when referring to librarians!! I resemble that remark!! Don't bad-mouth librarians! I bolted my books together to keep them neat!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kepler
Sorry....I suppose I should have made it "gender-neutral", but I actually dealt with a VERY similar "real-world" situation in our community library....and the offending individual was more or less female! "Librarian's Syndrome" is something all engineers learn about as undergrads!
While I didn't post much over the years, the CSP board and one other that are
basic bulletin boards were two of the ones that I most often went to. The main
advantage to this format is not having to 'open' every reply to thread that doesn't
describe the content underlying it, i.e you'd have 15 replies all with the same title,
here you do have to scroll thru them but it's easier to use after you get used to it.
You can adjust the font size with the ctr and +/- buttons. I'm sure I'm not alone in
that certain aspects of CSP were my only interests and perhaps ignored the rest of
the board, I doubt much will change for me in that regard, but I'm happy that the
group can remain connected.
Each thread has a main theme title. However, not a lot of people realize that each of their replies can have a mini-title, similar to the old Jouster. Next time anyone uses the "Reply" option, look at the top of the white typing space and you'll see a blank field called title. That's where anyone can put in an optional secondary title that appears above their post, within the main thread.Quote:
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Second, if anyone prefers the old site's style of showing threads, here's a trick for those who want to switch this new site back to something similar to that old Jouster style of thread presentation. Open up any thread and then look up to the right of the very FIRST post in the thread and you'll see a button called Display Modes.
Click on it and test out the different looks to see if there's one you're more comfortable with, as opposed to the default Linear Mode mode.
There's one called Threaded Mode that's very close to Jouster's old style ... :thup:
Hope this helps people along the learning curve .. :)
Regards,
Badger
That's correct, but that's new in the last day ... ;)Quote:
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We changed it after we were informed by some members here that the original description Forum for general conversations about guns was incorrect and that it was an open "Cracker Barrel" forum for general conversations about guns, politics, OT (off topic), or whatever ... :lol:
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Phil/Louis ... :)Quote:
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To restate what we've said consistently over the last three weeks in various posts .....
When Gloria gets here and if she wants to move back to the old genre software on a different server, we'll help her to accomplish that. Remember, we only agreed to be a place holder to help save her site before the Unix box completely collapsed. I've told her in several conversations that her CSP community is welcome to stay here for free as our guests, for as long as they want, or until she decides if there's someplace else she'd like to take it. We're only an interim host for CSP, NOT the owners of it... the ownership, legacy and future belongs to Dick and Gloria to decide. If for some reason the Culvers are unable to get here to deal with those decisions, then we will be asking the CSP community to put together a committee to decide the future of their own community.
In the interim, we hired a systems guru who's one of the best in the business in regards to Unix, to organize the old server and back it up in a focused and structured manner, so we could get all of the old data, articles and pics off of it, to help guarantee and preserve Dick and Gloria's old site legacy. :thup:
After looking at it, he said he was surprised it was still running and he hadn't seen anything that convoluted in 20 years. He commented "I can certainly do this, it's going to take some time though. That server is a mess and there's stuff all over the place. I would safely say that it's a very large job to go through the whole box and get everything pulled together. There does seem to be a lot of data and the way its laid out just makes it hard to find everything."
We're doing the best we can with limited resources while holding down a full time job to pay the bills .... :lol:
Hope that helps clarify things again for everyone .... :cheers:
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Originally Posted by CSP ADMIN
Your efforts to help keep CSP intact are commendable, and I appreciate them; I realize you folks probably derive little or nothing out if it. That means you are good people who want to help others. I appreciate your patience and I hope you do not regard our little gripes as anything more than expressions of cultural shock. At our advanced age, change comes hard, and might be about the only thing that does.
Remember that we CSP retreads are generally old (I didn't say washed up), with failing eyes, failing ears and probably failing other parts that cannot be mentioned in polite society. We can stand erect and follow simple instructions, but only barely.
I think you for the efforts you folks have expended, to make it possible for we CSPers to maintain our unit integrity and esprit.
Thanks Much,
Louis of PA