I want to thank the many forum members here who helped me with this project over the years. Without your help this wouldn’t have been possible.
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!
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I want to thank the many forum members here who helped me with this project over the years. Without your help this wouldn’t have been possible.
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!
do you know yet if it was Bill V's?
It was put together from mostly C1 parts. There’s a Sterling bit and the receiver is US made.
Very nice indeed Vincent, really well done!
How does she shoot? Semi only or rock and roll ?
Sure looks like many I was issued both in Recce and Mortar Platoons...over the years. Just about perfect. Flat new...now, let's get 'er warm shall we? Right about 1000 rounds ought to do it...
Thank you. It's rock and roll. Just got it yesterday and haven't had a chance to shoot it. Maybe over the 4th holiday.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Thanks, Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Oh yeah, we'll warm'er up for sure. I did pick up 1000 rounds just for this. Not sure if I can shoot'em all at once.
To me the differences between the C1 SMG and the L2A3 are interesting. The trigger mechanism is fascinating. It took a brilliant mind to invent it.
As we have come to expect from you Vincent, it's another excellent rebuild, very envious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
I look forward to your range report on how she sings.
Yes, I had an L2A3 back a while too and looked closely. It was simple, ours was far more rudimentary, simple bolt, stamped concept. Mags specially...but they worked fine. Yes, trigger mech was uglier too than L2A3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Well done. That has FUN written all over it.
Canada stuck to their licensing agreement to the letter. It worked well for Sterling too because Canada also had to buy butt assemblies, Barrels, grips etc etc from Sterling.
As for the trigger mech....... There was always a bit of animosity between the two which were self contained and both tripped internally at a set point. Patchett always said that if his patent was written/worded in a slightly different way with a couple of words the Ruffell trigger would have breeched his patent
The UK trigger always looked neater and ours looked crude...like it was made in a barn workshop. Worked OK though. I did like our single, simple bolt though. One piece and a spring that usually stayed attached.
Yes. Canada did destroy them at the end of their service life and not sell them on. That’s why it wasn’t possible to find the magazine housing (the serialized part) and a Sterling housing had to be modified to look close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
The butt is a little more rigid. The stamping left some material that’s similar to the yoke reinforcement modification on the Sterling.
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The grip doesn’t have the Sterling patent.
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Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
The Chilean FAMAE PAF trigger mechanism is almost an exact copy of the Sterling. Were they built under license or did the Chileans violate Patchett’s patent?
Don't know about the Chilean but I always understood that the Canadian butt was a UK supplied part. You never know everything!
Now that is very strange, I've just looked through the Canadian parts list and it has a UK 1005-99- part number! So your butt SHOULD(?) have a UK type butt fitted! Mmmmmmmm
Never seen a Mk4/L2a3 butt on a C1, nor a photo of it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
They would be straight interchangeable however.
I've never seen or heard of the Chilean SMG before, but what a blatant rip off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Laidler
I would assume royalties were paid to Sterling?
The stated higher cyclic rate would, I guess, be down to a lighter bolt design?
Ugly little blighter, but an interesting Sterling side story I've never heard before.
I had forgotten what that looked like...it's been a while. Yes, we shredded ours...all gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Yes, a lighter bolt and a stronger spring wire will turn up the volume...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
sweet
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hi, ive got both the Chilean one is dead easy to put back together, sterling a painQuote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Yes. They copied the Sterling Mk5 bolt design. The location of the charging handle hole is slightly different and IIRC it’s metric.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
They copied the charging handle from H&K and the extractor is stamped sheet metal. I don’t know where they copied it from. Butt looks like it was copied from H&K too.
The barrel nut does make barrel changes easy, but it gets hot fast (like the Uzi) and there’s not really a good place for your support hand.
They made some forty-five round magazines for it that are hard to find and quite expensive.
Not quite all. Three hundred were held back for museum and research purposes. Currently, between 100 and 200 reside in the depots when I last checked. As well, Directorate of History and Heritage had a bunch welded up for issue to museums, despite the directive in the museum manual that small arms are not to be altered.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
I managed to bu a civilian owned C1 SMG example a few months back and had it deactivated (I couldn't possess it live). It now resides about 3 feet away from my keyboard.
I was aware there were a few left but it was to mean that we didn't sell them...Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector
I remember that directive, some can't wrap their head around "As is".Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector
Was that one on CGN? I saw one there...Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector
No, it was on collector source. I think I caught it the first night it was up there. The price wasn't bad....a full auto friend was going to broker the deal if c/s would not deactivate it. He said if I changed my mind he would buy it. In the end, c/s sent it to my local gunsmith who does a very neat job.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
There was a somewhat overpriced Police Carbine on CGN a month or three back. I already have one of the Police Carbines, so the one on CGN did not tempt me. They are a pleasure to shoot...if only we could have a larger magazine than 5 rounds.
You said it!Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector