.22 AMMO

Is it just me, or the ammo.
You know when you get to a range and find you have a mix mash of ammo, well things opened my eyes today on how tempremental some guns are.
RUGER 10/22
Using it in the above rifle I find Winchester Sub Sonic a very tempremental beast, stoppages every other round, bad feeding, probably due to the length, where CCI seems to go through it OK with fewer stoppages.
I tried a better round altogether.........ELEY FORCE High Velocity no stoppages worked really well through the RUGER and the CHIAPPA.
Anybody else got any knowledge of this little beauty!! No stoppages at all.?

It is a semi automatic that requires a certain level of "power" to operate the bolt. Sub sonics are low velocity rounds and if I recall, not recommended for the 10/22.

I thought the same, until I saw a gamekeeper using them very successfully on rabbits.
Any idea where that is published, as nothing definitive in the Ruger manual as to their load in them. Seems to be a mixed response.;)

I don't remember where I saw it. I just bought one about a year ago and I did a lot of research on them first and I just remember them saying that some ammo won't work well with them and that experimentation may be required. Generally will work fine with hotter ammo. I've never actually shot mine yet but I've never purchased subsonics for anything. I did some checking and Remington subsonic appears to be the only type that will cycle reliably for the guys that experimented with it. CCI will not.

I have the same info, subsonic use should be bolt guns and revolvers. Not enough power to cycle reliably... I do have a standard velocity ammo I can use reliably through semis though. Most semis require you find what ammo it likes, or more to the point, doesn't like. Then remember that. I just have that info from word of mouth... Remington...Vector I think is the ammo that works.

I bought a Ruger 10-22 in 1972. It has been a great small rifle. My nieces and nephews have a great time with it, and so do I. Though the wood stock has long been in the box.
The rotary box feeds reliably with 22LR and 22L. It prefers coated vs plain lead. My extended magazines only like 22LR.
I use CCI, American Eagle, and Remington with no issues.

For the small critters in the yard I use CCI CB shorts in a bolt action Anschutz loading one at a time. Quieter than a pellet gun.

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Thanks for those thoughts. Its an interesting calibre, when one would suspect the simplicity of its case and charge make it a dead cert for launching, but that is not the case it would seem.

The subsonic rounds seem to need a lot of power on some manufacturers actions such as Chiappa and certainly Ruger does for sure, to recycle the action in semi autos.
Very frustrating if you have multiple rabbits, and stoppages on the sub calibre round, when you consider the round was really designed specifically for that size of animal. Perhaps a proviso should have been applied to the box "Only for use with bolt action rifles"

Note. Sub calibre isn't the same as subsonic.

Ha Ha............well spotted Daan. Too long in the Military spelling slip of course :madsmile:

.22's are just like that. It's why you have to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo that particular rifle will both shoot well and cycle the action. The price of said ammo means nothing.
I'd be guessing the sub-sonic stuff(don't get the current fascination with it myself.) isn't liked by many semi-auto's though. .22 semi's being blow back and all.

I hunt with my 10/22 Takedown LITE with a suppressor using sub sonic ammo exclusively with no problem. I have tried over a dozen different flavors of sub sonic .22LR ammo and the ones that I have consistently good performance are listed below:

- Remington SUBSONIC 40 grain hollow point
- CCI SUPPRESSOR 45 grain hollow point
- Fiocchi 40LHP subsonic 40 grain hollow point
- Gemtech Silencer Subsonic 42 grain round nose.

I tend to like the CCI SUPPRESSOR 45 grain hollow point the best.

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CCI Suppressor, will certainly give them a go, thanks for that, and the main reason for the thread.
How much for the Daniel Boone hats, or am I that old I am the only one who remembers him on TV :lol::lol:

If I may add,
4 or 5 years ago I got involved with the youth small bore team (.22 are most popular) at my rifle club.
A few years before that I was searching for a target round that would be reliable for my assortment of .22's. A Ruger 10-22 among them. Also to include Semi pistols.
For any of the Semi-Auto's, no matter if box mag or tube fed they were most consistent when using the Geco .22 long rifle boxed and marked for Semi-Auto.
I introduced these to the Youth Semi shooters with very good results.
They worked just as reliably in the Bolt actions and pump rifles they had brought.... as long as they were chambered for longs.

I had researched these a little and I believe they came about and were marketed to the new AR15 in .22 long shooters...... But that's just me guessing

Geco offers 2 styles, both are 40 Grn lead round nose. They are offered up for Bolt actions and for Semi's....... Usually at the same price.

Specs for:
Geco Bolt Actions: 40 Grn Lead round nose. 1083 FPS. On sale about $33 per 500
Geco Semi Auto: 40 Grn Lead round nose. 1148 FPS. On sale about $33 per 500

To add.. all casing from the box have the feel of a light lube on them. They are accurate and burn clean, making for a easy final clean.
When ordering I now buy 2 boxes of 5,000 count for about $290.00 per 5k.

I recently bought a 300 count box of CCI 40 Grn copper plated round nose (CPRN) they call AR Tactical @1200 FPS @ about $28.00 and had the kids try them out, but ran in to jamming/feeding problems from some who normally have no issues.
I'll keep trying other brands, but for now am happy with the results we are seeing from the Geco 1148 FPS Semi's are giving us.

Just my experience so far,

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

Daniel Boone hats, or am I that old I am the only one who remembers him on TV

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I often missed it............ While watching Rifleman !!

If you want a semi-auto .22 rifle, I would suggest looking into a Remington 550 rifle. It uses a Williams (of M1 Carbine fame) floating chamber and will reliably cycle subsonic, supersonic, short, long and long rifle .22 ammo. The only thing it will not cycle is .22 CB cartridges.

It is a tube fed semi-auto though, but when you can fit about 25 short cartridges you won't run out of ammo very quick.

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Originally Posted by Gil Boyd

Daniel Boone hats

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I remember him well, Fess Parker...

Charlie,
$33 for 500...........I am definitely in the wrong country. That is cheap.

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$33 for 500

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Ours is about double that mostly...and if you want Eley, maybe $100CDN. But it's REALLY good stuff...

CCI loads at least two different sub sonic loads. One at 980 fps and one at 715 fps. Needs to say the 715 fps will not operate a semi-auto. But in my Hi-Standard pistol the 980fps works fine.

A semi-auto .22 with a "muffler" will probably function more reliably with sub-sonics than one with a plain barrel, assuming no fancy gas--bleed porting in the barrel to reduce velocity.

Simple test for those with such goodies:

Test ammo for function with the can fitted and removed: Sub-sonics run at VERY low pressure and thus, expanding minimally, offer little or no resistance to extraction under that generated. If there is enough pressure to push the comparatively heavier bullet out of the muzzle, there is enough pressure to start the case moving backwards. A muffler may well extend the dwell-time of this gas pressure just enough to ensure complete extraction and ejection. The only "noise" will be the sound of the bolt / breech-block "clacking" as it chambers the next round.

Barrel length is important, as well. With HV .22 ammo, all of the propellant has reached maximum gas expansion in 16-18 inches of barrel; after that it is "coasting" / slowing down. "Mini-mags", "target" ammo and other exotica will vary that somewhat. If the bullet is supersonic at the muzzle, NO silencer will get rid of that supersonic "CRACK", it will just reduce the muzzle blast. This definitely applies to serious centre-fire systems. However, in "service" conditions, if the "target" only hears the supersonic "Crack", it is VERY difficult to locate the firers direction AND distance.

I found the converse with my S&W 15/22. Mini Mag jammed every other round, whereas sub sonics, and standard ammo worked flawlessly. In fact CCI Blaser worked the best, and is all I will use now, and it's the cheapest

Roy,
Probably the reason for why I started the thread. There seems to be no rhyme or reason for the failings of .22 in semi autos other than, seating/magazines/ejection of simply the round is either under powered to throw the working parst back or some other mystery.
A mystery never replicated when you watch a manufacturers film on the rifle, regardless of manufacturer. Wonder how many takes they had??

Exactly. First time I used the Smith, it cycled Mini Mag perfectly. I cleaned it, used it at the next steel challenge, (same type of comp) and it wouldn't shoot more than two rounds without jamming. Different batch of ammo, everything else the same. Quite bizarre and bloody infuriating

I remember Dan'l Boone as well as Paladin and Cheyenne Cody and even Sugarfoot I guess I'm old huh?
I have better luck with Federals in my 10/22 and my Walther P22 Winchesters seem to jam more often CCI not so much the worst I found was some Russian junk with an average of 8 misfires or jams in every 290 rounds:banghead::surrender:

Oh and I just bought 2 bricks of the Federal in the 525 count for under 20 bucks a brick at Wally World the first time I've seen it under $20 a brick since that O person was in office.:madsmile::lol::beerchug:

Ironically, the Chiappa .22 has gone back again to the manufacturer in Italy as the rounds will just not line up and consequently miss feed nearly every round as they enter the barrel, worse since it came back this second time. I told them cure it, or give me another gun, and in the meantime did a variation hoping its either cured totally or they do just that grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I can safely say I have now tried every round possible still no success, so assuming the barrel is out of line somehow!!