I’ve no connection to WWA but I thought I’d mention that they are now selling Spare barrels for your Bren box and barrel bag.
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I’ve no connection to WWA but I thought I’d mention that they are now selling Spare barrels for your Bren box and barrel bag.
Can't find them on their site, have you got a link please? TIA
Advertised on milweb in the reacts section.
Cheers BP :beerchug:
Well, well, well. I wasn’t expecting that to happen.
I’m intending to go there on Tuesday and will investigate. It would be nice to get a Mk2 barrel if the price is right.
WWA have done these in a limited quantity before, about 4 or 5 years ago.
Mark PM me your number I gather you mean the W&P show ?, I'm there on Tuesday nearly all day..... need to leave around 1530 to get to Dover and catch a ferry.Quote:
Originally Posted by peregrinvs
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Originally Posted by bigduke6
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That’s right, I picked up some early long cone Mk1s back then before WWA withdrew them. Looks like all the wrinkles have been ironed out now.
I seem to think that the new deact spec allows for deactivated parts by default. Whereas before, it didn't specify deact parts only weapons. But the cops were very liberal regarding deactivated parts such as barrels because of the way the old specs were written - in that a barrel was a firearm in its own right, as defined in law and........... anyway........
Mark no PM as yet just tried to ping you over my number but your box is full....Quote:
Originally Posted by peregrinvs
I was putting a deposit on another section 7.1 pistol (French 8mm 1892 revolver) and the dealer mentioned Bren Barrels, he had a barn full but couldn't do much with them at the time so they were used as re bar in his foundations.......
Sorry about that. I've cleared some space. Can you resend?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
I believe the original problem with the WWA barrels was that the Birmingham Proof House would certify them but the London Proof House wouldn't. Presumably they've now agreed a common spec within the new rules.
Hypothetical question: would my non-current spec deact Bren barrel count as 'defectively deactivated'? I don't think the legal wording mentions component parts.
Only if you wanted to sell it etc....... but I can't get my head around that phrase as once its deactivated its deactivated........ as barrels in the past were suppose to be part of the weapon as Peter points out and individual parts couldn't be passed as deactivated......, if you have a certificate for it then can't see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by peregrinvs
I remember some time back about a dealer who used a bren barrel as a door stop...... can't remember if it was deactivated or live but obvious at the time you couldn't have a deactivated barrel and I'm sure someone grassed him up............a totally pointless thing to do but thats the kind of folk we live with.
Back to the new EU spec stuff all welded solid is probably jumping the Gun (pardon the pun) as its not UK law yet and as the other took over a year we may escape it when we leave in March (which can't come soon enough as I've had a gut full of people who just can't except the fact were leaving)
Tell me about it Geoff. If May and the rest of the EU surrender committee get their way, then we will continue to mirror EU law post BREXIT, firearms law included unfortunately.....
The law states that it's whatever specifications are current when the gun is sold or transferred:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduke6
Policing and Crime Act 2017
The active as of 28/06/2018 onwards specifications can be found on the Home Office website:
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._Guidance.xlsx
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/firearms...olice-guidance
I've read elsewhere that the Home Office isn't entirely unsympathetic to the idea of 're-recognising' some previous UK specifications post-brexit, but it's probably best not to get your hopes up too high. The other question is how the wording of section 128 changes when it is re-written to remove the EU element.
Evening Mark, it all hinges on whether or not we mirror EU law moving forward or not...
As the current fall back plan seems to involve copying and pasting EU law into British law and then setting about unpicking what we don't want.
It will be 100 years before anyone even thinks about EU Firearms meddling, if ever unfortunately!
It will be so far down the priority list.
Viewed the WWA Bren barrels today. They have the two types of Mk2: the British type without the receiver lug slot and the Canadian / Australian type with the lug slot. The former were £175 each and the latter were £145. They had about 10 British ones and 30-40 Commonwealth ones
They also had deactivated MG13, MG34, MG42, MG08 and Vickers barrels.
Interesting Mark, how have they been deactivated?
A six inch or so slot on the underside of the breach end and a rod welded inside. They don’t look too bad.
They are probably the same stock from a few years back. If so, they also have the gas reg welded into position and one set of the buttress threads ground off.
Gas regulator is removable and flash hider is not pinned or welded .........work that one out !
Well.......I really am gob smacked.......no doubt the spec will change next year and you won’t be able to sell, gift or otherwise transfer ownership.
You got it ... Specs are now likely to change (for the worse) with the wind, with little advance warning!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brit plumber
I see D & B Militaria are now advertising Sec5 business among other things, probably best to get away from the "pile em high and chop" deac business now, its too unpredictable these days....
Heads up all,
latest WWA catalogue just dropped though the door today, they now lave a limited number (14) of MK1 barrels (commonwealth I believe) and MK1*'s (24) along with MKII and MKIII's
maybe of interest to some...
Deact barrels are permitted after a reinterpretation of new legislation that confirms that barrels are firearms in their own right - and that you can have deact 'firearms'. End of!
As I understand it, there are still a few (very few.....) old spec Brens around looking for good homes. But I understand that the prices now reflect the 'you should have got one when you had a chance' point of view
Purchased a MK11 barrel as my John Inglis MK1M has a MK11 barrel fitted, asked for a Canadian one, 'JI' marked and got one!
Very similar to the one fitted to gun.
Don't know how it compares to one of the early Deac barrels, not much left of the lugs, and no movement of the gas port...…...at least on mine. still pleased though!:)
Well thanks for the heads up! I showed the add' to herself (who's birthday it is today) and without batting a eyelid she ordered me a Mk 3 barrel! OK I have been whinging about wanting a barrel since I got a Mk 3 and made up a few holdalls for it but still, not what i was expecting!
ATB
Tom
I ordered a mk1 barrel to go with my ‘39 Enfield Bren, no idea how long it will take to arrive but will be interested to see what it looks like.
According to their website all the mk1’s are gone now...
I suspect it may be a Lithgow Mk1 Barrel. If it is, could you post the Barrel serial number, Gun serial number on the barrel and the date, something like 3’42. I have a list of Lithgow Mk1 barrels that I’m collating. They are scarce items as Lithgow switched to the later pattern barrel bypassing the short cone Mk1*.Quote:
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Will do sir.....
Well folks, its arrived and im pretty damn pleased with it,
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../zkqZjME-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../YmHKU2N-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../UM7jx9P-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../C6ReiEb-1.jpg
shame about the mess at the chamber end.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../pkNWfqw-1.jpg
I'm tempted to model a set of lugs onto a thin plasticard tube and paint up to match for when its hung up next to the gun.
ATB
Tom
I seem to recall that we only marked the barrels with the serial number and the letter prefix, such as A 12345 (and the S if it was the second barrel as here)
My one arrived as well, Lithgow as predicted.
It has 2 numbers, neither are struck out A1791 (with the 1* marking) and also 3729 a bit further round. Looks like a 2 42 date stamp. Did Lithgow Bren serial numbers start at A1?
Evidence of green paint on the handle for some reason
Nice to see the dealer painting over the exposed metal, though not sure if I may try and improve that part somehow
Some pictures below, please let me know if there is any interesting history or info to be gleaned from them.
MK1 Bren barrel, deactivated of course, which I have recently purchased from WWA? It is of Lithgow manufacture and I believe that the barrel sleeve with the lip at one end (similar to the MK2 sleeve but with a lip) was unique to Australia. Flying10uk
The sleeve is just a Mk1 without the holes. A simplification that led to the elimination of the lip and ended up as a rough casting which evolved into a sleeve which was a cross between the Mk2 and the Mk4/L4 type.
There are Enfield marked examples of the simplified pattern with lip out there. The Aussies did the MK1 pattern then the simplified pattern with lip then moved onto a sleeve with out lip, then progressed onto the early British MK2 pattern around 4'43, which seems a bit back to front but thats how they did it. Two new patterns of sleeve recently surfaced on two '54 dated barrels which i will try and put photos on the forum.
I count my blessings that the barrels we have in the US are not required to be cut up (or deactivated) IF they arrived before the reign of Obama. I can not express how much it bothers me to see all this good and HISTORICAL material reduced to something one step away from scrap metal by your UK Government.
OMG
I saw the pricing of the barrels. Wow, live working barrels are cheaper here in the US.
Thanks for sharing your info on Deactivated Barrels.
Brit plumber Also looking for barrel number info. I'll work on it.
Later 42rocker
I am not sure of the real purpose or sanity of this, but this thread makes me want to purchase EVERY live Bren barrel I can, to save them. I will NEVER be able to ship them out of country now that they are here, due to things like ITAR and EU regulations, but I can hardly bear that all this history gets cut up. Guess I could apply the same thought process to Short Sterlings, and Lancasters, but can't afford to pick up many of those. :-)
I wonder just how many Bren guns and barrels were shipped to the US in the good ole days? I am the proud owner of a working semi auto. I currently have both an early and a later Mk I for my Mk I semi auto. I have a Mk II and a Mk III, all in what I would term good plus plus. Not excellent, but pretty clean and with plenty of rifling. What am I missing as far as models or types? Wish I could get another Mk III, but those seem a bit scarce here.