Seen this posted by fellow member milprileb on another forum.
Spotted a number of Carbines, at least 1 having early features @11:20 in.
Proof ? That not all carbines were Rebuilt?
Thx to milprileb...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOKEhOr0xw4
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Seen this posted by fellow member milprileb on another forum.
Spotted a number of Carbines, at least 1 having early features @11:20 in.
Proof ? That not all carbines were Rebuilt?
Thx to milprileb...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOKEhOr0xw4
Yes, lots of Carbines shown without bayonet lugs. Used to watch "The Big Picture" a lot on TV in the mid to late 50's. I believe it was on CBS on Saturdays. For a long time CBS (KOIN - Portland) was the only channel our area could receive. - Bob
GIBOBUS,
Did you see the Carbine with Flip rear sight and narrow barrel band at about 11:20 in ?
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I don't know how to grab and post a screen shot showing the US instructor handling the carbine with early features (Flip, T1 band) @ 11:20
Yep, saw the same one I think at 4:11 or 5:25. I'll post a picture of it for you - believe it had a 30 round mag, too.
USBOBGI,
Thanks a lot, You'll have to PM me and explain how you pulled that picture !!
To much shadow to see if it has a push safety, flat bolt and type Op slide.
Any way to tweek the shadows ?
So there were as issued (not rebuilt) carbines this late (1963) still in US Armories ?
Or might this have been a carbine pieced together by the small Armories in Vietnam
Makes me think about this picture from the thread 1,5 million carbines left in Vietnam....
Where the US instructor teaching bayonet use has a Type 3 Bayo lug, but also a rear Flip Sight:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...am649jpg-1.jpg
You know it's possible that those carbines were left that way for use in Viet Nam. Very simple for a draftee who is uneducated to use a flip sight instead of an adjustable rear sight. Four carbines, 2 Garands and a BAR. I wonder if those men in the back ground that are smiling are really VC infiltrators? Seems about right.
A lot of the carbines in use in VN were captured from the Americans in 1950 when the 1st Cav and 2ID ran the gauntlet out of N Korea when the Chinese army came across the Yalu. There were thousands of weapons and artillery, trucks, ammunition etc left behind. These weapons were sent down to the Viet Mihn in N VN. To use against the French. In 63 it would be very easy for a weapon picked up on the battlefield to be back in the hands of the good guys.
The VC were everywhere in the south. It was not uncommon to have units switch sides to avoid destruction. The best Viet fighting units were not the Viet Army, they were the hired indigenous soldiers. Mike forces etc.
We inserted and extracted a lot of teams. I think the best I ever saw were the ROK. Small on talk, big on action.
The picture USGIBOB pulled from the video shows a lot of damage to the stock hand guard, it seen service somewhere and not just pulled from the wrap.
Interesting to see the different variations, no matter the time, place of the picture or film.
Ah yes the Korean Tiger Division. The VC feared them as the NVA later learned to. Top notch fighters for sure. Asked no quarter and gave none.
We had a large force of ROK soldiers in our camp for about 5 months. Each morning there would be a few hundred soldiers in Judo suits doing warm ups. They were from the Tiger, white horse and capital divisions. They were the best troops Korea had. We paid them the same as GIs and had special rations to accommodate ROK troops. They used all US WW2 vintage weapons. They were ruthless and killed a lot of Viets out of hand. Their method was to move into a problem area and simply shoot everyone until the trouble stopped. They finally sent them home during 66. I spent a great deal of time with the Koreans. They loved Americans and loved to arm wrestle and do manly things. They were all around 5'7" large for Asian troops. The best thing was that their generals were all enlisted men at one time. They would drink us under the table and these officers had no problem drinking with PFCs and Spec 4s. They were monumentally great drinkers.
Sent home in 1966? Do you mean they rotated some home? They still had Korean troops in Vietnam when I left in 1970.
Just a picture I found with no text...
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...b8e3a898-1.jpg
They started them young over there, smoking that is. :eek:
Highwood with late features on the left, selector switch on the right. Go get em boys.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...sjcmcgif-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...sjwun1yj-1.jpg
Where the advisor is wearing the short lived "Duck hunter" camo...Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
They left II Corps and never came back when I left in 1967. They had some serious scrapes with the Viet Marines in our area. Beach bars being shot up and unarmed Koreans being shot. The Korean General took a large armed force to the Viet base and told them that if he saw any more of them in the city he'd wipe them out. Sounds like bull, but it wasn't. Many of the Viet soldiers were recruited out of Saigon Jails and they were sloppy, poorly trained and poor troops. The Koreans were all really good soldiers, the best they had, and by the 60's there weren't too many bad Korean troops left in Korea. Charlie: I'd bet the farm that those guys are Cambodians or Mountain people. The Koreans I saw were all large people for Asians and most operated with their own personnel. In other words, they weren't looking for some sneaky pete to tell them what to do next.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
What a mess that would be, from the frying pan... Wouldn't want to be anywhere around those guys as a training NCO(advisor)...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveHH
The worst would be the Viet Rangers. Undisciplined trash. There were a few good Viet troops like MIKE force guys, but regular Viet troops had no stomach for the war. Who can blame them? The Japanese, the French, the Viet Mihn, name your poison. The people were wonderful, beautiful people who treated their children like gold. You would be roaring down Hwy 1 and out in the paddy would be the most lovely women, they'd maybe take off their conical hat and redo four feet of jet black hair into a little ball. Surrounded by mud they were almost always clean. Smiling at us if we acted like gentlemen. You could stick your nose into their hut and if they were eating, you would be asked to share. The VC were killers and died.