Found in the old family house.
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Not sure what the first is...
But the second is a Hoffer-Thompson conversion cartridge for shooting 22 long rifle in a 30-06. Not exactly a cheap collectable! They run about $75 each on eBay though this one looks a bit beat up.
Thank you, it was driving me nuts.
Happy to help. Neat little trinket to just stumble across!Quote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
I’ve never seen one in the wild.
Pic one looks like an over center binder of some sort the ones that they used to use on trucks are banned now days as too many people lost all their teeth or were seriously injured unlocking them the wrong way with the cheater bar, I never liked using them we used them to dog down the crane counterweights onto the semi's
Thanks, I'll check into that.
Could the first be some form of hot barrel carrier from an MG?
Don't think so Gil look at the tag & slot in the arm also the tag has a hole in it for a locking pin to stop it coming undone this is my best WAG.
I am assuming the two parts close using that recess and lug which goes through it, and the loop goes over the top to keep it closed.................am I right?
If that is the case I have seen something similar with the German MMG of WW2, but as usual can't find it when I want it. Its a page from a Spandau manual I think!!
It will probably turn out to be a hanging pot holder as I see the two spiggots have to fit into to something once it is closed up!!
The 22 rim rifle Hoffer-Thompson adopter only used 22 rim fire short cartridges in the Model 1903 conversion. Over the years people would rechamber them to fire the 22 long rifle cartridge without realizing that the barrel twist is not the same - resulting in poor accuracy
Jim
My girls believe you have a Hame fastener used on a work harness for pulling horses, mules or ox. Unusual because it has the double studded T which is used on the middle puller in a 3 wide.. but their not positive about the double T use.
When closed there is a clinch pin (I call them) round ring with pin attached that pokes in. Called a Hame line ring with stud.. per the girls.
Many different styles and many different ways of rigging depending on the chore at hand..... many styles found over the years.
That's what the Wife and Daughter say you have, so I'll go with it.
I waz closest to intended use, I'll take the cheese!:madsmile:
Cinders,
This is their best guess......
Still just a guess.
I've looked and seen some similar but no exact match.
So for now........ IDK ??
Charlie,
Found while cleaning out the old family house built in 1902. So they were using horse drawn carriers back then. The family owned the Ice House in Monterey at the time.
Thank the girls for me.
Jim
I'll tell them later.... not ready for that 'Told you we were right look' right now.
I must say they were pretty confident when they ID'd it. Daughter did it while on Skype. (sp ? )
OK, but isn't the item in the picture way too small for any type of rigging? It doesn't look much larger than the 30-06 device - appears to be laying on just a piece of a paper towel? :dunno: - Bob
I understand that. If E & H are anything like my B, I'd get a smirk for a while. But that's what we like about them, I think :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Bob, it's about 7 1/2" from the curved end to the hinge area. Didn't measure the swing part with the ring, but it is longer.
An email from my cousin in Monterey this morning.
Thank your friend Charlie, I could not find an exact image but I believe his is a good call when I peruse some of these like-images. This fitting was in the desk, in brand new condition (literally mint condition) so I had no idea it was quite so old.
Frank Hellam Sr had a drayage team for use with the Climax furniture store so this makes sense it is what Charlie said. The Scott Street barn and warehouse are built from salvage lumber from the torn down barn which used to sit on the property where those two houses above the current property now sit.
Our great-grandfather possibly bought a spare one day and stuck it in his desk for eventual use. Knowing these ancestors, I can see where it may have languished in that desk for a century.
Aunt Anstice (born 1910) once told me of the team, in harness, sitting outside the front door on Scott St when she was 8 or 9. She climbed up on the seat, released the brake and yelled “giddy up!” The horses took off and turned on Van Buren Street with the wagon on two wheels. She managed to get the wagon around the block, reset the brake and never did that again.
Picture shows four generations of family woman. My great aunt Anstice in the back at the family front door in 1979. The adobe wall my daughter and I are standing next to was put up in 1906 and is still standing today. Property runs the entire length of the block.
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I'll have to admit, that "painter guy" is right again! :surrender: - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
I was the furthest so I'll have the mouse then :lol:
:rofl:Gil:rofl:
Amazing what a 2 horse team can pull.
But before they pull you have to build the sled rails.
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Once the sled is built the horses were used to 'Winch' the load on.
1892 Nestoria MI, After binding the white pine down it was off to the Worlds Fair in Chicago. A load of 50 logs 144 tons ~700,000 feet-log scale.
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I forgot about Skidding the logs out of the cut, Checkout this rig:
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BTW..... In the picture above and below, the horses on the right.. have some style of a HAME FASTENER attached on the left side of the padded collars.
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Jim,Quote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
See the sales add by The Climax Furniture Co. near the middle of page 4 in the Carmel Pine Cone, July 24 1919.
Your Great Aunt would have been about 9.... So maybe close to her adventure sneaking away with the team........ :ugh:
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Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
Your cousin mentioned Frank Hellam SR while searching information about him I happened across his son Lee Hellam's Obit.
It mentions the building of that wall by Frank's Father / Lee's Grandfather named John Hellam.... yes in 1906. Mentions its a famous wall to visitors etc.
Also see that Lee served towards the end of WWII with Patton's 3rd Army.
Interesting read, here's a link:
Lee Hellam Obituary - Monterey, CA | Monterey Herald
Just part of what I do when the Meds don't work and can't sleep. :(
Gotta ask You say your "Great Aunt Anstice" Correct to say she was a Hellam ??
Below from the Obit:
Lee is survived by a brother, William Hellam, Sr. (Doris). He was predeceased by brothers, Monty, Sr., Frank, Jr., and John, and by his devoted sisters, Frances Harter and Anstice Hellam. ...... etc
Lastly want to Thank You for sharing some family photos.
God Bless the little one.
VR,
Charlie
My family, on my Mom's side, owned a lot of businesses in Monterey. But lost all but one during the depression. Still going and the longest continuous running business in Monterey 125 years "Hellam's Tobacco Store".
Hellam's Tobacco and Wine Shop | Old Monterey
Up late tonight, kind of like Charlie. Thought maybe I could find that wall on "street view." I believe this is it. My brother lives over in Marina, and I've been down to the Aquarium and Fisherman's Wharf a couple times. - Bob
That is it Bob.
I was just there two weeks ago. Those metal doors will open, but they are a bit** to do so. When I was a kid my cousin and I would climb on top of the wall. It seemed high then, and we got yelled at. The bathroom was added to the outside deck, kind of an indoor outhouse. My grandmother cooked on a wood burning stove. The GE ammonia refrigerator was bought in the 1930 and is still in the same place it was delivered, and working great.
The property runs the whole city block from Van Buren to Larkin. In the garden some of the fruit trees and bushes were planted by Luther Burbank in the 1910-1918 time frame. He was a friend of my Great Grandfather. An almost pitless avacado, and a pitless prune. He was looking to see how they would thrive in different climates. And Monterey is surely different than Santa Rosa.
Lots of memories. My cousin Dick and I on the inside of the wall in the garden area.
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Nice picture, but gotta ask- yall chilly ?
Reading about Lee and his sense of humor..... Enjoyed selling gag gifts.
Kids going for the candy counter.
A different time with life being (seemingly) less stressful.
I'm in shorts. But it does get a bit chilly there at times. It was also windy that day, off the bay.
It's on the coast Charlie, it could have been in the 50's a short time earlier that day! - Bob
"I hadn't seen Jim's post when I wrote this - but I was pretty close."
Yes, indeed. Monterey has, shall we say, unique atmospherics thanks to the bay.
Cinders:
Always remember: It's the SECOND mouse that gets the cheese!
Okay I'll give it to Gil seeing as I got snapped!:p
:lol::lol:thanks.
Yes from times when they were less stressful..................the very same stress, which I blame solely on the mobile telephony route, and everything that makes everything more accessible to fast, and where noone takes the blame anymore!:surrender: