OLe Bardall1 is still at it.
A new batch ready to ruin left over walnut.
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OLe Bardall1 is still at it.
A new batch ready to ruin left over walnut.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1/sl1600-2.jpg
Over 2,000 feedbacks received.... :dunno:
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So...stand by...
The counterfeit stamps still continue to sell, first to the new collectors who think they are saving money and enhancing the value of their stocks and to others who stamp stocks and
sell them just for the money.
There was a time a few years back that certain counterfeit stamps could be identified on the M1 rifles stamps: 1. the Bishop lazy R in the WRA,, 2. The Rahway SPG, 3. the Stone Mountain SPG to
name a few. Rick Borecky has a large collection of known fake stamps and should be contacted if in doubt.
As Phineas Taylor Barnum once said.............................................. ..........
Somewhere along most collectors time, they have been taken by at least one item. Education and questioning can help mitigate a persons lose. A good reason to have a nice library and post asking about an item.
I got hit when I first started out. Was told it was an Underwood stock when it was just an Underwood rebuild. Boy! Did I get educated fast!
Charlie,
Thats sad mate, in the UK we have strict laws regards producing fake Patented stamps, and those laws I would assume would apply there in the States to, if it was a UK manufacturerss stamp being copied.
Is it allowed in some States or this just a plain rip off and copy of an original stamp and passing them off as original, because that, is a whole new ball game and here in the UK would be dealt with as Deception by the Police, big big fine and then the company would probably jump on you from agreat height!!
Thats how I would play it as an ex Police Officer, quite serious "with intent to deceive" all day long!
Incidently, there is also an offence for "knowingly" buying a counterfeit in this particular case too.
I expect the patent expired long ago as these are available in vast quantities...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
Jim,
Do they stick out like Bulldogs nadgers or are they hard to tell the difference once on the rifles?
They have gotten better with time. Some were so easy to spot but they are getting harder to tell sometimes. There are still a few tell tales with them still if you know what to look for.
Like Bruce says...for someone like me it could be an effort but for a few here they're childlike. The reason I sold my LL M1 rifle was because in a couple decades, if I'm still around, these will cause enough doubt that I wouldn't be able to sell anything real... I think they're a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
I messaged the guy and asked him why he sells crap like this.I haven't heard back from him yet but I will be interested to see what he says. I told him the manufacturers that are making reproduction M1 carbines as of the present day would put their own marking on the stock so these would be used for nothing but to deceive. Let's see what his moral reasoning is in selling these
You probably won't hear back or it will be acrimonious, not constructive or informative. Doesn't matter...Quote:
Originally Posted by jond41403
Gotta pay for his Crack
lol, he in fact did email me back and quite a long one.he gave me a story of how he is a gun enthusiast as well and is disabled and has to do it to make ends meet lol.he said he has been contacted before by other gun enthusiast but hasn't had one in over 2 years until I emailed him. He really never did answer my question as to why the fake stamps to make fake markings.he told me he makes them himself and has an inventory of over 200 different ones.....wow. he basically said he makes them for persons who put the stamping under the butt stock plate???? And said that he was sorry that some people decide to use them to trick people (lol, what in the world else would he think people would use them for).Charlie,if I can get the wife to show me how to forward an email to you I will if you are interested in reading the email he sent to me.you can plainly tell he was trying to give me a sob story to feel sorry for him. I have heard it all now, I make stamps to fool people because I am disabled lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Better not forward it, I can't be laughing at anything right now.
I Dis-placed a couple ribs a short while back, hurts to laugh, cough, etc.
I've had 13 Orthopedic surgeries over the years, I still found it easier to work than think about making a living some crooked way.
There are many here in worse shape than me......... I don't see them Crying to strangers.
Bardal did what my Father always warned me not to do:
Don't step in Sh!t if you don't want to smell like it.
you know he used to offer a stamping service...... until Ebay shut that down.
Back then you could see who the winning bidder was and I copied hundreds of pages of who bought what or used his service. Some of the 'Long Timers' here and elsewhere know it as The List.
Let him eat stamps !!!
That would be very valuable and telling info later in life. Save lots of money too...not buying spurious...Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
I know it makes no difference either way, I was just wanting to satisfy my own curiosity mostly and thought I would share his reply in case anyone else was curious as well. Honesty seems to be a fading trait these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Yea,Quote:
Originally Posted by jond41403
But I'm sure he claims that income to the IRS and his Disability $$ provider....... all 2,064 transactions that are just on Ebay as a seller since 2002.
This doesn't cover person to person sales. Or buyers that don't leave feedback.
If I take his sale prices for the last 25 items sold they total $2,156.05 divided by 25 = an average of $86.24
I know this is rough math, but 2,000 items sold @ $86.24 = $172,480.00
Now factor in he's been doing this (that we know of) for 16 years, that breaks down to an average of $10,780 per year since 2002.
There's no way to guess at how much profit has been made by those using these stamps when selling stocks off to unsuspecting buyers.
And no way to account for the monetary losses to these wood buyers.
So the wood gets unloaded on another unknowing buyer...... sold off over and over and over.
Quite the scam, but the buyers of these stamps should share the shame.
Worst of all is all the GI wood being for ever ruined.
Does anyone think for a minute these stamps get used just once then thrown away ?
History destroyed with a whack or two.
Don't believe my numbers?
Click here and see for yourself:
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As far as his 'Poor Ole Me' Emailed message I'd equate that to someone p!ssing on a Vets grave site saying they were just trying to kill the weeds.
Honor the Veterans, One and All
JMO,
If he’s sold more than 200 items totaling more than $20,000, PayPal would have issued a 1099. That’s the law.
If he didn’t pay taxes against that 1099...well he’s a braver man than I!
Remember ...
He got started way back before Pay Pal was required.
My main point........ I hate these Humper Helpers!
That's exactly right Charlie, he is forever ruining history and disrespecting all the veterans who carried those carbines and any other small arms he's making those for. In my message to him I stated that he is in fact ruining the hobby of collecting real military surplus firearms. It's people like me that get fooled with stuff like that, not the experts that know every little detail of how it should be. I wonder if I reported him to eBay if they would shut him down since those things are used in fakery and to deceive. I don't know what their policies are on stuff like that but I'm sure they would probably just allow him to continue to sell them.it's funny how he left out in his page long email to me about his service stamping stocks for people. He acted like it was other people that were using his stamps to deceive not him, which I know other people are but from what you told me , then he's the head honcho of it all by offering his services. I shudder to think of all the legit Surplus wood he has forever maimed and others buying his stamps doing the same.Making a ton of money or not, I don't see how he sleeps at night knowing all of the American history that he has ruined and contributed to other people ruining it as well, all just to make a dishonest dollar.
Ebay jerked his 'Stamping service'
You can't offer services to buyers.
I appreciate your gusto, but Ebay won't do anything, they make too much income from sellers like him.
He will only claim he is reproducing history for those who have lost it not faking it. Like there is a difference? To his mind there is, MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!!!!! One thing as collectors none of use need are people like him and old George. Just more hemorrhoids to those who like their carbines.
We all dislike people or items that have been faked. I've seen it going on for almost my 45 years of collecting. It reduces values greatly. But there is no way to stop it. All we can do is post about them to make others aware and hopefully save someone the heartache.
Someone trying to justify it by saying they are disabled doesn't do it for me. But after they have been posted about, no sense in beating it over and over to death. As Charlie and many others of us have been doing for years, make of list of these online names and check it before placing a bid. In the long run it reduces your chances of getting taken and then upset afterwards.